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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#826: Oct 29th 2010 at 11:54:14 AM

Clearly, Fast Eddie needs to go wave a big stick or something at Casale Media. (Yep, it's them doing it.)

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#827: Oct 29th 2010 at 11:55:07 AM

Pop unders?just bugs me Will investigate!

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
DUMB
#828: Oct 29th 2010 at 11:59:03 AM

I can deal with popunders for a while if it keeps the site up.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#829: Oct 29th 2010 at 12:01:22 PM

Temporarily, sure. But one of the good things about Google Adsense was that it was in the contract not to have any popups/pop-unders (and any that slipped through, we could report to them and it would get fixed).

Marioguy128 Geomancer from various galaxies Since: Jan, 2010
Geomancer
#830: Oct 29th 2010 at 12:06:41 PM

Pop unders?!? Oh geez thanks for the warning.

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BritBllt Since: Jan, 2001
#831: Oct 29th 2010 at 12:34:51 PM

I know this was awhile back, but since nobody responded to the point: what about making the Donate button more visible, such as adding a "Donate" link to the bottom of the "Troperville" left menu, and revamping the Donate page into its own full-length (and locked) article rather than just the current two lines and a Paypal link? Right now, the easiest way I know to find the Donate page is to come to the forums and click on certain troper signatures. I know it can't replace Google's ads, but most tropers who aren't forum members probably aren't aware that donations are even an option, much less that the site costs so much to run. Just having the Donate button visible on most screens would greatly increase traffic through that page, and donations would be sure to increase as well.

The same revamped page could also explain how the site's kept alive by ads, and encourage people to click through them for any purchases they'd like to make anyway.

edited 29th Oct '10 12:38:23 PM by BritBllt

"And for the first time in weeks, I felt the boredom go away!"
blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
#832: Oct 29th 2010 at 12:37:34 PM

IIRC there was an issue with people doing prank donations and then cancelling them costing the wiki time and money. That is why the button is where it is.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#833: Oct 29th 2010 at 12:40:01 PM

Random question: Are we still doing a click through page for external links on the wiki? I know there was talk of putting up a "You are now leaving Tv Tropes, we not responsible for this content" kind of thing, but I don't know if it ever got more elaboration.

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BritBllt Since: Jan, 2001
#834: Oct 29th 2010 at 12:40:33 PM

[up][up] Good lord, do trolls know no shame? sad

edited 29th Oct '10 12:41:02 PM by BritBllt

"And for the first time in weeks, I felt the boredom go away!"
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#835: Oct 29th 2010 at 12:42:08 PM

^^ Hopefully, no, we won't have to do that.

Yamikuronue So Yeah Since: Aug, 2009
#836: Oct 29th 2010 at 12:44:03 PM

Presumably it would be possible to only allow logged-in tropers to see the donation page and keep tabs on who is attempting to donate so that anyone pranking the wiki would be banned.

That can probably wait tho.

edited 29th Oct '10 12:44:20 PM by Yamikuronue

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AllanAokage Since: Dec, 1969
#837: Oct 29th 2010 at 12:44:39 PM

^^^ Generally not.

edited 29th Oct '10 12:44:54 PM by AllanAokage

FreezairForALimitedTime Responsible adult from Planet Claire Since: Jan, 2001
Responsible adult
#838: Oct 29th 2010 at 12:48:20 PM

I was under the impression that there was a minimum donation code-enforced in some fashion, now.

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BritBllt Since: Jan, 2001
#839: Oct 29th 2010 at 1:01:09 PM

Okay, well, could the mod who skipped right over my message to respond to another question in this thread offer some kind of official feedback on why this is a bad idea? I'm trying to think of ways to help the site, and it feels like I'm shouting into the void.

edited 29th Oct '10 1:02:11 PM by BritBllt

"And for the first time in weeks, I felt the boredom go away!"
Yamikuronue So Yeah Since: Aug, 2009
#840: Oct 29th 2010 at 1:03:24 PM

Mad probably didn't reply directly because blackcat is probably exactly correct and thus Mad would only be repeating what has already been said. The mods don't necessarily feel the need to weigh in "officially" on every suggestion - most of their posting is done unofficially as ordinary users.

BTW, I'm a chick.
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#841: Oct 29th 2010 at 1:05:39 PM

blackcat may not be a mod, but she's exactly right about why the donate button was moved off the main sidebar. We had a vandal who thought that it was hilariously funny to donate $1.00, then demand a refund immediately. The admins were spending huge amounts of time dealing with it, because each refund required a bunch of forms to be filled out and submitted.

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#842: Oct 29th 2010 at 1:06:31 PM

@Brt Bllt: We'll look at that after this initial crunch. The fixed-donation button could be more visible without the risk of vandals, I think. They very nearly got our paypal account suspended, before. Took Janitor on the phone from Switzerland in her best wheedle mode to prevent that.

edited 29th Oct '10 1:08:13 PM by FastEddie

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#843: Oct 29th 2010 at 1:06:50 PM

[up][up][up] Blackcat's answer is correct. Troper Demographics also indicates that the majority of our users are likely to be turned off by a donation-only scheme and/or lack the finances to support the site in the long term.

edited 29th Oct '10 1:07:01 PM by Fighteer

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BritBllt Since: Jan, 2001
#844: Oct 29th 2010 at 1:09:52 PM

I see. sad Maybe making the donation page registration-only would help stop people like that, but as Yami said, that can come after the crisis has passed, and increasing donations alone probably wouldn't be enough financially anyway.

(Ninja'd, but that reply works for Eddie and Fighteer too - thanks all.)

edited 29th Oct '10 1:12:23 PM by BritBllt

"And for the first time in weeks, I felt the boredom go away!"
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#845: Oct 29th 2010 at 1:22:51 PM

^^^Janitor in wheedle mode? I don't want to think about it.waii

edited 29th Oct '10 1:23:20 PM by Madrugada

AlirozTheConfused Bibliophile. from Daz Huat! Since: May, 2010
Bibliophile.
#846: Oct 29th 2010 at 1:25:31 PM

Tv Tropes becoming a foundation makes me think of Asimov's Foundation trilogy, and that gives me the mental image of Tv Tropes as the last refuge of science, technology, etc. With Janitor as Hari Selden and Fast Eddie as Salvor Hardin. Pretty cool.

@Fighteer: You're exactly right about the troper demographics.

^ Wow. Even Madrugada is scared of Janitor in Wheedle Mode. Madrugada for pete's sake!

edited 29th Oct '10 1:35:53 PM by AlirozTheConfused

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#847: Oct 29th 2010 at 1:32:50 PM

I've read posts from Janitor when she was in mild Wheedle Mode. I don't have any illusions about resisting her in full-on vocal Wheedle Mode.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#849: Oct 29th 2010 at 2:23:42 PM

Lets just say Janitor could talk to the yellow paint off a school bus.

edited 29th Oct '10 2:25:17 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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SomeColorMage I know you like the hat. from Sydney Since: Oct, 2010
I know you like the hat.
#850: Oct 29th 2010 at 2:25:32 PM

I got a pop-under as well. My pop-up blocker sucks.

And the ads I'm seeing are nothing but Evony and some "change your computer cursor" place. Even if it helps keep the wiki up, it's annoying as hell.

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