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metaphysician Since: Oct, 2010
#1126: Dec 19th 2011 at 1:43:23 PM

Um, he made the Joker a terrorist because *that is what the Joker is*, if you actually take seriously his actions. Most portrayals of the Joker have his plots involving a strong element of "horrible things ensue"; if the Joker is not traditionally called a terrorist, it is simply because the writers felt comfortable simply calling him a "supercriminal" or such.

The Joker really hasn't been anything other than a terrorist and mass murderer since the 60s and the Adam West Batman show.

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#1127: Dec 19th 2011 at 2:16:33 PM

Eowyn: I never said that a movie, or a superhero movie for that matter, couldn't have a deep, profound meaning. Heck, I think that The Dark Knight should have won movie of the year. All I'm saying is that your views are interfering on the actual value or meaning of the film. He put him as a terrorist because that's what the joker is, and because it was a hot topic.

All I said was that the point of the movie was about the Philosophy and corruption of the characters, since the movie heavily draws from The Killing Joke, which had the same themes. Or are you saying that moral and philosophical significance aren't as profound as a political statement?

All Nolan is gonna do is to reference in some way the current hot topic. In this case, Occupy Wall Street. It could have some significance to the plot, but it's not a "statement" and certainly not the plot of the movie.

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#1128: Dec 19th 2011 at 2:16:36 PM

No no, Scarecrow's a terrorist. Joker is a Humorist.

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#1129: Dec 19th 2011 at 2:21:04 PM

Fox said it was a terrible idea, but he went along with it in the end and continued working for Bruce.

He also only continued working for Bruce provided the machine was blown up in the end.

Seems like the overarching message isn't "this was justified" or "this was too far," but sort of like "the best way to stop something that can easily go too far in the wrong hands is to put it in the 'right' hands when you need to and then hide it away from the world / remove it otherwise."

edited 19th Dec '11 2:22:48 PM by KnownUnknown

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#1130: Dec 19th 2011 at 4:02:00 PM

Deh-shay, deh-shay bah-sah-rah, bah-sah-rah

God I'm gonna love this movie

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#1131: Dec 19th 2011 at 5:33:27 PM

BAH-SAH-RAH! BAH-SAH-RAH! DEH-SHAY! BAH-SAH-RAH! BAH-SAH-RAH! DEH-SHAY!

I'm waiting for this to become a meme on-par if not better than Fus Ro Dah grin

edited 19th Dec '11 9:32:35 PM by EnglishMajor

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#1132: Dec 19th 2011 at 8:35:33 PM

"WHEN GOTHAM IS IN ASHES, YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO DIE."

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#1133: Dec 19th 2011 at 8:53:06 PM

[up]Great line. I love the Ubermensch narcissism.

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#1134: Dec 19th 2011 at 10:07:32 PM

I have to say, I really like Selina's fashion sense. It's so stylishly retro (which is an aesthetic I think works for the character).

And the proper trailer is so much better than the leaked ones floating around.

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#1135: Dec 19th 2011 at 10:57:33 PM

...Well, that explains it. Ok, I get it, Cillian is not your type. Personally, I think the pretty boy aspect helps with the contrast, buttt.... Opinions, so yeah. It's cool, jut that you calling him a pussy seemed... Off.

Well, see, he would have been really, really good if Scarecrow had been the main villain. But he wasn't. So, the weaknesses of this version of Scarecrow stood out and the strengths didn't, for me, because I didn't get what I expected at all.

*Facepalm*. Well, no biggie, I guess. That would probably affect your opinion.

I had meant to see them in order, but I didn't get a chance to see Batman Begins when it was a fresh movie, and everybody talked up The Dark Knight as the shit (quite deservedly, of course) so I ended up seeing that regardless.

Have you seen Hathaway's serious roles? She's pretty good. I'm not slamming you, mind, just that there are lotsa people who have only seen the "kiddy" roles.

Not that I can recall. I guess I'll find out when this movie comes out.

...Not sure if serious on the bane part. Ok, Bane is mostly famous for breaking the Bat, being really smart and strong as hell, also, Ra's Al Ghul's greatest apprentice. No, neither Ivy nor the Penguin are involved here. Bane's the main villian. Penguin is really cool, he could have a similar role to Carmine Falcone. Unless you go with Burton's horrible vision.

Yeah, I haven't been into Batman for a really long time. That's interesting, though. As for Poison Ivy and Penguin, that's just what my friends told me they'd heard. Damn hearsay.

I take it you are not that big of a batman fan, right? (I don't mean to offend you, just asking).

I was a huge geeky fanboy for the '90s series and Batman Begins, but I haven't seen them for so long that I've forgotten most of it. I was more of a Marvel person when I was growing up anyhow; my favorite superhero was Spider Man...

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#1136: Dec 19th 2011 at 11:28:12 PM

I saw Hathaway in that Rachel Getting Married movie. I still just saw 'Hathaway!' Although I thought that movie was annoying to begin with. I don't like stuff where it's just all yelling and dysfunctional families, I am extremely sensitive to people yelling around me in real life.

edited 20th Dec '11 4:35:20 AM by NoirGrimoir

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#1137: Dec 19th 2011 at 11:47:10 PM

Hey if Hathaway could host the Oscars with a ridiculously bored James Franco she can be Catwoman.

In my personal opinion however I think she could pull it off, maybe.

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#1138: Dec 20th 2011 at 7:04:16 AM

Bane and Catwoman as the ninety-nine percent makes a shocking amount of sense when you consider sanity rates in Gotham City.

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#1139: Dec 20th 2011 at 6:15:21 PM

Here's the long trailer for anyone who hasn't seen it yet: http://io9.com/5869399/new-dark-knight-rises-trailer-reveals-banes-explosive-machinations?tag=thedarkknightrises

Also there seems to be issues with bane's voice: http://io9.com/5869898/will-the-studio-make-christopher-nolan-change-banes-muffled-voice-in-the-dark-knight-rises

edited 20th Dec '11 6:16:41 PM by NoirGrimoir

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#1140: Dec 20th 2011 at 7:43:01 PM

The only time I had problems understanding Bane was when I watched a crappy camcorder version of the IMAX preview.

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#1141: Dec 20th 2011 at 8:11:05 PM

I actually found him really hard to understand in the short trailer. I still don't know what most of what he said was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Sktgm0aD8

edited 20th Dec '11 8:11:13 PM by NoirGrimoir

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#1142: Dec 20th 2011 at 8:18:32 PM

Well, he didn't say anything in that trailer. That was Ras Al Ghul narrating. Gordon was hard to understand, though.

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#1143: Dec 20th 2011 at 8:32:21 PM

I thought that was bane before he got his head shaved or something. Lol.

edited 20th Dec '11 8:32:54 PM by NoirGrimoir

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#1144: Dec 20th 2011 at 8:59:20 PM

Question: Is there a more recent trailer that everyone's talking about? I looked online for it and all I got was the one from July.

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#1146: Dec 21st 2011 at 12:28:27 AM

I haven't seen the IMAX prologue (There aren't any real IMAX theaters in this country...), but I had little trouble comprehending Bane in this trailer. I had to rewind once, and that's it.

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#1147: Dec 21st 2011 at 4:07:44 AM

[up]I agree. I had trouble with the leaked phone video versions, but the official HD trailer has been pretty comprehensible to me.

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#1148: Dec 21st 2011 at 9:32:20 AM

It sounds like he's saying "When Gotham knows ashes, you have my permission to die." If that's what he really is saying, then it makes no sense.

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#1149: Dec 21st 2011 at 10:07:41 AM

[up] I thought it was "is ashes".

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#1150: Dec 21st 2011 at 10:41:55 AM

Just because it is possible to understand him doesn't mean he is easily understandable. If it becomes a chore to understand what the bad guy is saying (and it isn't the point) then it becomes a distraction.

edited 21st Dec '11 10:42:36 AM by KJMackley


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