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Medicus Sierra 117 from Australia Since: Sep, 2009
Sierra 117
#326: Jan 25th 2011 at 5:43:45 PM

What is the point of the character Bane? I know he breaks Batman but the guy just really really wants to be top dog?
I don't know about being top dog. Bane wants Gotham to stay the way it is — completely screwed up. Batman is trying to clean it up, so Bane decides Batsy has to go.

You're all forgetting that this will be the last movie. So, Bane destroying Batman makes sense.
No way is the ending going to be "and then Batman died/was forced into retirement and Gotham remained a cesspit of corruption and crime forever."

It's not over. Not yet.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#327: Jan 25th 2011 at 5:45:53 PM

Known unknow i would say that the act of breaking the Bats back is about even with everything the J man's done he never put Batman out for a year

Well, if you're talking physical damage, sure.

But talking about actual traumatic, near soul crushing damage, nobody puts Bats down like The Joker.

What is the point of the character Bane? I know he breaks Batman but the guy just really really wants to be top dog?

Bane is a criminal mastermind who is, at least initially, obsessed with destroying the man/legend that is Batman. To that end, he orchestrates a city wide crime wave, involving many of Batman's worst enemies to wear Bats down, pushing things worse and worse until Batman is a tired, weary wreck, and then deducing the location of the Batcave (but not the identity of the man behind the mask, somehow), he ambushes Batman and breaks his back. Eventually Batman heals and returns to kick his ass.

Back then it was more about being the man to destroy a legend than being top dog, per se. Nowadays he's all about proving himself an evil prick even without Venom, randomly trying to corner the criminal underground, and orchestrating political upheavals in his home country or something.

edited 25th Jan '11 5:47:27 PM by KnownUnknown

Drakyndra Her with the hat from Somewhere Since: Jan, 2001
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#328: Jan 25th 2011 at 8:21:14 PM

[up] And being a weirdly adorable father figure in Secret Six.

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Vox Since: Dec, 2010
#329: Jan 26th 2011 at 9:05:16 AM

Bizarrely, I think the only adaptation so far that came close to depicting Bane as he was in Knightfall was Lego Batman of all things. His Genius Bruiser nature is alluded to here where he is shown reading a book with one hand and easily beating Killer Croc at arm wrestling with the other, plus he can break Batman's back. Someone did their research well...

edited 26th Jan '11 9:05:50 AM by Vox

mmysqueeant I'm A Dirty Cowboy from Essairrrrcks Since: Oct, 2010
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#330: Jan 26th 2011 at 11:07:52 AM

You know what I would love? To have several villains, but for the movie not to treat them all as headliners who vie for each other's attention. So like - Bane and Black Mask would both appear as bosses vying for control over the city, or Bane as a mercenary who becomes a boss. Hugo Strange appears as someone manipulating things in secret while keeping a public face as a psychiatrist giving a negative interpretation of the Bat for the news and such. Catwoman appearing as an independent criminal who doesn't know what to think about Gotham's savior, and honestly doesn't care. Etc.

I can see this being both epic and a welcome rejection of the tired mainstream comic-book-movie formula. After all, comic books rarely have straightforward one-villain plots, if they did, each individual plot would span only one instalment.

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#331: Jan 26th 2011 at 4:32:03 PM

Known Unkown Bane did deduce who Bats was he said however that he views Bruce Wayne as the mask and Batman as the real person

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#332: Jan 26th 2011 at 6:36:53 PM

Ok, to clarify: Bane spent his childhood and teenage years in Prison (too long to explain why and I am tired). During that time, he read about the Batman. Essentially, he grew accostumed to his prison home, were he was the top dog. After Hugo Strange gave him the Venom Inyection, one could say he became a LITTLE crazy (but that can be speculation on my part? I dunno). The point is, he views Gotham like his prison home, and he wants to break the batman as a symbol, and for him to become the new symbol, mostly because he can't stand that there's Always Someone Better.

"I Am Bane. [b] THIS CITY IS MINE. [/b]

If you ask me, he has more than enough motivation, and of course Nolan will change him, in any case, I am more than Hyped for this movie. I had called from the beginning both Catwoman AND Bane, so naturally, I'm excited.evil grin

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Anaheyla Since: Jan, 2001
#333: Jan 26th 2011 at 8:51:07 PM

Something to do with his criminal father dying and Bane being forced to serve his father's time because the laws in Generic South American Country are really weird.

edited 26th Jan '11 8:51:14 PM by Anaheyla

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#334: Jan 26th 2011 at 10:12:24 PM

Bane did deduce who Bats was he said however that he views Bruce Wayne as the mask and Batman as the real person
Which, interestingly enough, is exactly the same thing Rachel Dawes said at the end of Batman Begins.

OH SNAP BANE IS RACHEL IN DISGUISE

Anaheyla Since: Jan, 2001
#335: Jan 26th 2011 at 10:13:03 PM

That would be a hilarious plot twist.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#336: Jan 26th 2011 at 11:02:33 PM

I still say we should've had alive-but-driven-crazy Rachel return as The Phantasm, who, driven to obsession by the way she feels Batman and crime is tearing up the city (and her life) goes on a villain killing spree.

TheProffesor The Professor from USA Since: Jan, 2011
#337: Jan 27th 2011 at 12:16:31 AM

Like Two Face?

Also,will Lucius Fox be in this one? I was confused on whether he resigned or he stayed because the machine was destroyed.

Medicus Sierra 117 from Australia Since: Sep, 2009
Sierra 117
#338: Jan 27th 2011 at 12:18:38 AM

No, he stayed.

He told Bruce he'd help him but this was it. Bruce told him to put his name in when it was over.

When Fox does, the machine self-destructs. While this is happening you have a close-up of his face. He's smiling and almost crying Manly Tears.

This is also the point where Bruce's VO is saying that "some people deserve to have their faith rewarded."

So he'll definitely be back in Number 3.

It's not over. Not yet.
myrdschaem Since: Dec, 2010
#339: Jan 27th 2011 at 7:26:33 AM

Besides, they couldn't snark off over Bruce's hobbies and that would be sad, sad, sad.

TheProffesor The Professor from USA Since: Jan, 2011
#340: Jan 27th 2011 at 2:25:54 PM

Good. I was gong to be angry if they got rid of him. Who would make Batman new gadgets?

XRay X Ray from His Chair Since: Nov, 2010
#341: Jan 28th 2011 at 5:39:54 PM

Wait, hold on a second... Bane showing up could lead to a Nolanized version of Knightfall, which could lead to a Nolanized version of the avenging angel, AZRAEL!!!!

Care to critique my villain's prison escape plan?
HopelessSituationWarrior Naïve Newcomer from Canada. The middle part. Since: Sep, 2010
#342: Jan 28th 2011 at 7:33:25 PM

Azrael won't be in the movie. PERIOD

edited 28th Jan '11 7:33:35 PM by HopelessSituationWarrior

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#343: Jan 28th 2011 at 11:03:48 PM

While I would like a Batman movie with a large berth of named characters having an effect on the plot while each is not being forced to take the limelight, I think introducing the whole St. Dumas set would be a bit... much.

Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
Unchanging Avatar.
#345: Jan 29th 2011 at 2:04:53 PM

I agree with the writer of that article. Combining Bane and Strange is pointless, unless Bane barely figures at all.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
Medicus Sierra 117 from Australia Since: Sep, 2009
Sierra 117
#346: Jan 29th 2011 at 3:05:40 PM

Robin Williams as Hugo Strange? Hmm. Might not be a complete disaster. He's done serious and semi-serious roles before. And let's not forget Jack Nicholson as the Joker.

It's not over. Not yet.
Seamus Another Perfect Day from the Quantum Savanna Since: Jul, 2009
Another Perfect Day
#347: Jan 29th 2011 at 3:50:04 PM

Ain't happenin'. All we have to go on is one (very vague) tweet. Besides, Bane and Strange serve the same purpose.

I've got two guns pointed west and a broken compass.
TheProffesor The Professor from USA Since: Jan, 2011
#348: Jan 29th 2011 at 8:11:52 PM

How does Bane become Bane without Hugo Strange?

Seamus Another Perfect Day from the Quantum Savanna Since: Jul, 2009
Another Perfect Day
#349: Jan 29th 2011 at 8:16:23 PM

Considering the two characters aren't related at all, very easily.

I've got two guns pointed west and a broken compass.
eX 94. Grandmaster of Shark Since: Jan, 2001
94. Grandmaster of Shark
#350: Jan 31st 2011 at 8:08:25 PM

Bane's back story can be easily adapted to fit Nolan's version of the Batverse. But I am interested in the way Batman's current status as fugitive will work together with Bane's as, basically, just another mafia enforcer.

With Strange, you could have gone the way that he is a profiler/psychoanalyst hired by the GPD to track down the bat the same way you do it with serial killers and becoming obsessed with him in the process. With, Bane, this option isn't really there, unless they cut the whole criminal angle, which would greatly hurt the character, in my opinion at least.

edited 2nd Feb '11 10:07:54 AM by eX


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