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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#1: Nov 8th 2010 at 7:59:54 PM

Okay, first off, the name. How many of you can guess that Airstrike Impossible => Death Star trench run style thing? Even then, the description is filled with potholes to The Other Wiki and the half the examples seem to not be potholed. I think I even see duplicates. I'll take a crack at it tomorrow, but I wanted to bring it up here first.

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#2: Nov 8th 2010 at 8:39:48 PM

Actually, the trench run isn't strictly necessary. It need only be a ridiculously tricky aerial assault requiring some serious stunt-flying. It's just that trenches and canyons are useful for providing sufficient cover to successfully accomplish this.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#3: Nov 8th 2010 at 8:44:23 PM

My biggest issue with the name is that it's implying that hitting it from the air is impossible while being about an aircraft attack.

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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#4: Nov 8th 2010 at 9:48:11 PM

That's what it generally is. It means using an aircraft to hit a target that can't simply be hit by locking on with a long range Fire and Forget missile.

An airstrike against an underground bunker is impossible, which is why you sent the plane down into the bunker and take it out from there.

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#5: Nov 8th 2010 at 10:18:24 PM

The X-wing books call targets vulnerable to this "TRD" Trench Run Disease.

Personally I think the redirect would make a better name than the current name Trench Run Mission.

edited 8th Nov '10 10:20:23 PM by Raso

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#6: Nov 8th 2010 at 11:00:44 PM

I agree. If anything, Airstrike Impossible could just be cut, and the whole trope only be named Trench Run Mission. There's really no need for a redirect for something as self explanitory as that.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#7: Nov 8th 2010 at 11:25:32 PM

I would like to see a bit of misuse before I go in and do my mass edit. I can do it and then post the misuse, but that would moot most evidence.

So, we've got a rename proposal, I requested a description trim, and I'll go through the examples after my nap. Anything else?

edited 8th Nov '10 11:27:24 PM by Deboss

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#8: Nov 9th 2010 at 6:15:35 AM

Yeah, Trench Run Mission works a lot better in conveying the actual trope's focus.

Oh, and while I was at it, I fixed the Wing Commander stuff to actually reflect what the trope description is talking about.

edited 9th Nov '10 6:16:05 AM by Nohbody

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#9: Nov 9th 2010 at 7:32:24 AM

Alright, I went through and cleaned it out. A lot of the X Just X examples were in film so that section is looking a little sparse.

I did notice something. The first part of the description describes the trope as being about a phenomenally difficult airstrike so the title would be more like Airstrike: Impossible, possibly a play on Mission Impossible. It later goes on to say that Trench Run Mission is a common subtrope. Should it be split? Is "really hard airstrike mission" even a trope?

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#10: Nov 9th 2010 at 8:02:31 AM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Mission: Impossible parrallel was what they're going for. I don't think Trench Run Mission is distinct enough to get its own subtrope (especially as I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of examples would be Star Wars Shout Outs). Should we move it to a ptitle with the colon?

In the meantime, I'll look through the article itself and clean up what I can.

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#11: Nov 9th 2010 at 8:16:46 AM

Well IMO something called "Airstrike impossible" sounds like something that is immune to airstrikes and require a ground assult. Like something in a residental area or something far underground. (Like that gun that the Nazis were building to fire across the english channel which was so far under concrete that normal bombs didn't work till the allies created a bunker buster bomb.)

Now the fact that I remember that from the History Channel about WWII scares me.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#12: Nov 9th 2010 at 12:19:08 PM

Would anyone care to take a crack at a rewrite for the description?

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TheInferno |Y| = |X| Add 5 from probably on Earth Since: Jul, 2010
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#13: Nov 9th 2010 at 4:12:52 PM

I have played games where you have to destroy a target from your plane that you have to fly low to the ground (not necessarily in a canyon) or fight off a lot of enemies just to get to the target (usually at the end of a game), essentially an Airborne Mission Impossible (if Mission Impossible is an extremely challenging to the point of impossibility mission (which it isn't) ) so I think it IS something, but it could probably fall under an "Extremely Challenging Level" trope (if we have one like that)

edited 9th Nov '10 4:15:53 PM by TheInferno

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#14: Nov 9th 2010 at 4:28:35 PM

We do, but that one's got the subjective banner, so...

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#15: Nov 10th 2010 at 8:41:28 AM

I rewrote the description and cleaned up the examples. I think all that's left is a rename. I still like Airstrike: Impossible (we can add a line to the description noting the Mission: Impossible reference), but if other people aren't fond of it I'd just flip it around and use Impossible Airstrike (which is, indeed, already a redirect to Airstrike Impossible).

edited 10th Nov '10 8:41:48 AM by NativeJovian

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#16: Nov 10th 2010 at 8:43:44 AM

That One Level But In A Plane is not a trope.

Okay, your description is much better. And now I know that Impossible Mission Needs Wiki Magic.

edited 10th Nov '10 8:46:47 AM by Deboss

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#17: Jan 12th 2011 at 11:04:11 AM

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