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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#5776: Jun 27th 2024 at 8:02:46 AM

Blaise's name was 'Blaze', like a fire and the lighter he always plays with.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#5777: Jun 27th 2024 at 8:08:07 AM

IIRC his name in Japanese is "Banzai", which is honestly Not Very Subtle

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#5778: Jun 27th 2024 at 8:25:51 AM

The official localization could call him "Byrne". For bonus points it sounds close enough to "born" for a "born winner" pun.

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#5779: Jun 27th 2024 at 8:29:25 AM

[up]If we're going in that direction, I could see "Bourne" to make the connection even more prevalent

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#5780: Jun 27th 2024 at 8:29:28 AM

I'm definitely expecting Bansai's localized name to be some sort of play on "number one," something along the lines of what [up] suggests.

Fun fact for those who don't know: if you take the first parts of Bansai's surname and given name (Ichiyanagi Bansai), you get the word "Ichiban," which means "Number One." Like an earlier poster mentioned, Bansai's name is not particularly subtle.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Jun 27th 2024 at 8:30:15 AM

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#5781: Jun 27th 2024 at 8:32:29 AM

The official localization could call him "Byrne"
It won't because that's the name of Kay's father

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#5783: Jun 27th 2024 at 1:17:53 PM

I honestly want them to go with either Bernie or Bernard.

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techno156 from Lost in the wrong part of the internet (Private) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#5784: Jul 2nd 2024 at 8:30:59 AM

[up] Bernie seems a bit too casual for him, IMO.

Pyrus, maybe? Pyro+Cyrus, and close enough to Primus for the one-pun.


It is kind of funny how a lot of Ace Attorney fan media seems to put Ryuunosuke as a distant ancestor that Phoenix barely knows about, when the time-gap would just make him his grandfather (maybe great-grandfather). He's not from hundreds of years ago; it's barely been a century by the time Ace Attorney starts.

He could very well have sat on his knee, and listened to the stories of Ryuu turning the English justice system on its head in his youth.

Edited by techno156 on Jul 3rd 2024 at 1:32:05 AM

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#5785: Jul 13th 2024 at 2:02:01 PM

One thought I had in order to tie the jurist system into the game without overhauling everything, inspired by Edgeworth's chess system where the truth gets away from him if he picks the wrong options.

Instead of a penalty system, your "health" is based on jury convincing. You lose health from options that weaken your case and hurt the chances of the jury casting Not Guilty. So decisive evidence/confession wouldn't be needed, but perhaps through a difficult/risky path of options, you can win the case with decisive evidence as an alternative to winning through the jury. The big confrontation comes at the end as you give your closing arguments against the prosecutor.

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#5786: Jul 13th 2024 at 2:18:05 PM

He could very well have sat on his knee, and listened to the stories of Ryuu turning the English justice system on its head in his youth.
Unlikely given that Ryu (estimated YOB 1878) is about 115 years older than Phoenix (est YOB 1992)

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#5787: Jul 14th 2024 at 1:30:39 AM

[up] That's still not that far off though, unlike what ancestor would imply. He's just great-grandfather status, and easily within living memory. Phoenix would just get stories about how his great-grandfather upended the English legal system.

RE: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=8h4up2g130nkoyvz10ll45qp&page=232#comment-5785

I think TGAA was basically an attempt at testing a jurist system for the mainline games. You do have a health bar, still, but part of it also involves convincing enough of the jury to result in a hung vote, and extend it.

Although the idea of turning the tables, and being able to short-circuit a case by convincing the jury to unanimously go for not-guilty if they logic things out well, seems an interesting one.

[down] In fairness, Iris does write the in-universe Sherlock Holmes books, basing it off of Herlock Sholmes.

Edited by techno156 on Jul 14th 2024 at 11:41:43 PM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#5788: Jul 14th 2024 at 6:28:47 AM

Phoenix talks about some made up guy named Sherlock Holmes in the first game, so clearly he's never heard the stories from TGAA.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#5789: Jul 14th 2024 at 1:03:11 PM

"Oh yeah! Sherlock Holmes II, baby!" gets funnier every year.

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#5790: Jul 14th 2024 at 1:22:31 PM

My personal guess for the discrepancy is that in the Ace Attorney universe Sherlock Holmes is the arch enemy of Lupin III.

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#5791: Jul 14th 2024 at 3:48:28 PM

I am ema skye’s #1 fan.

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#5792: Jul 14th 2024 at 5:21:31 PM

^^^^Well TGAA wasn't even a thought back then so that doesn't mean much. Also, it's a detail that's inconsequential so very easy to retcon. Clearly the writers didnt put much thought into the family tree pre TGAA otherwise I'd would assume having a famous lawyer ancestor would be an addition motivation for Phoenix.

I think Phoenix only mentions his parents like once in current time. We know virtually nothing about his family but would be interesting if they ever showed up later.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 14th 2024 at 10:03:45 AM

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Oshawott337 Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
#5793: Jul 14th 2024 at 5:24:58 PM

Speaking of, does Phoenix ever mention a dad? I remember him mentioning a mom but can’t remember if he ever said anything about a dad.

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#5794: Jul 14th 2024 at 7:16:33 PM

I swore he mentioned both parents but maybe I am mistaken. I read that he mentioned a mom somewhere during a pressed testimony with Oldbag (I dunno which game)

On the flip side; Edgeworth's mom is never mentioned but I assume she is either absent or dead. Ace Attorney doesnt really deal with background parents so

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 14th 2024 at 10:20:34 AM

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#5795: Jul 17th 2024 at 8:31:32 AM

In the Apollo Trilogy version of Dual Destinies, they actually change a blink and you'll miss it reference of Sherlock to Herlock to keep it accurate to the lore.

123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#5796: Jul 17th 2024 at 8:40:20 AM

This might be a nitpick but I don’t like when you have to press every testimony with no real progress leaving you wondering if there is any evidence you have for contradiction… only to find out you have to press a certain testimony again to make progress. It is very annoying.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#5797: Jul 17th 2024 at 11:01:34 AM

Usually they change the testimony's wording when that happens.

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#5798: Aug 1st 2024 at 9:36:07 AM

I’m developing a referenced by page if anyone wants to help.

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#5799: Aug 1st 2024 at 9:59:25 AM

[up]I was thinking of using the Ace Attorney lookalike from the Mega Man Archie comics, but I also remembered that one episode of YGOTAS that also might fit the bill for the page.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/ygotas_joey_wheeler_ace_attorney.png

If all else fails, there's that one Haruhi Suzimiya episode, but i can't remember if that is already on the page somewhere

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#5800: Aug 1st 2024 at 5:48:51 PM

Some of the names have been revealed, most importantly Simon Keyes. Or should I say, Simeon Saint.

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