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Aug 7th 2019 at 11:24:31 AM

There are bits where Aizen is enjoyable, but there's little balance to it, and his final fight with Ichigo was embarrassingly terrible.

Nikkolas from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Aug 7th 2019 at 11:26:34 AM

Heh, I have the complete and total opposite opinion. Lighty mentioned it was nice to have a villain with vulnerabilities and that is a key aspect to Naraku's character. He's actually weaker than Kikyo to start off with and maybe was weaker than Sesshomaru as well. Actually, in his first meeting with Inuyasha, he flees from Inuyasha and when the heroes locate him Kagome fucks him up bad with a Sacred Arrow. Then Inuyasha nearly kills him with Red Tetsusaiga so he has to run and gain a powerup for a whole arc.

Inuyasha is an arms race and Naraku is seldom far ahead of Inuyasha or Sesshomaru.

Edited by Nikkolas on Aug 7th 2019 at 11:30:16 AM

Aug 7th 2019 at 11:45:12 AM

The flaw there is I once heard Naraku referred to as the demonic incarnation of I Am Not Left-Handed...

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Aug 7th 2019 at 11:50:19 AM

Naraku is what would happen if you only have one major villain in your story, and you pad the story out to hell.

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Aug 7th 2019 at 11:57:11 AM

[up] I'd agree with this. To me, I love everything about Inuyasha but all those things I loved were dragged out so unnecessarily. It would have benefited greatly from being half as long.

Apparently repetitiveness is a big criticism of Bleach and one popular suggestion about why it Fell from grace.

Edited by Nikkolas on Aug 7th 2019 at 11:58:03 AM

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Aug 7th 2019 at 12:34:33 PM

The final battle with Aizen is one of my least favorite shonen climactic showdowns. Pretty much every side character contributes some sort of clever way to try to put him down, but he lolnopes them all away with his magic marble and it ultimately takes Ichigo getting an unforeshadowed uber-powerup and brute-forcing his way through.

In short, everyone else only lost because they didn't have PROTAGONIST POWER, among the most blatant cases of this I've ever seen.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Aug 7th 2019 at 2:47:21 PM

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Aug 7th 2019 at 12:42:46 PM

Yeah, and the fight with Ichigo is just Ichigo 'lolnoping' everything and then finishing it in one attack, before Urahara seals him.

It's so, so badly done

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Aug 7th 2019 at 1:37:26 PM

I thought Ichigo Vs Aizen was great (though short). It's exactly what Aizen deserves for being such a smug prick always going on about his superiority.

Ichigo is so done with Aizen's shit by that point.

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Aug 7th 2019 at 1:47:14 PM

IIRC Ichigo used up all of his juice and Aizen was still regenerating, so Aizen would have won if Urahara hadn't activated Swords of Revealing Light.

Aug 7th 2019 at 1:54:13 PM

Urahara himself says otherwise. The kido wouldn't have activated without Ichigo pushing Aizen so far, and Ichigo is the only one who could have managed what was required. Giving most of the credit to Kisuke is misplaced.

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Aug 7th 2019 at 2:52:46 PM

Also Aizen was being rejected by the Hogyoku at the time, so I dunno about saying he'd "win".

Evidently his powers recovered while he was in Muken, though. I'm not sure if that's just his strength now or if he's still got the Hogyoku in him.

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Aug 7th 2019 at 5:21:30 PM

Generally speaking, a Curbstomp Battle with a major, major big bad? Rarely does it for me. It just ended up as a massive anticlimax.

And then Aizen's fine kicking out and waiting out his sentence anyways.

Aug 7th 2019 at 5:31:30 PM

Did Hisagi and Ichigo ever exchange a word of dialogue on panel? They do have a bit in common with their focus on protecting people and struggle with their uglier parts of their personalities. They even kind of have the "face of a thug but heart of gold" thing going for them.

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Aug 7th 2019 at 7:47:59 PM

When you think about it, the showdown with Aizen is sort of a loose remake of the showdown with Frieza. The both feature the supporting characters trying to take down an extremely powerful villain in various ways, only to be shown up when the villain continually transforms into successively stronger forms, before the main character gains a super-powerup that makes the Hopeless Boss Fight turn a 180. I regard the Frieza fight as superior, though, because a) Frieza's defeating the supporting characters is due to his own strength rather than literally implanting a deus ex machina button in himself, and b) the powerup that ultimately takes him down is heavily foreshadowed.

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Aug 8th 2019 at 8:01:06 AM

Those are surprisingly rare on Youtube. You'd think more people would do them.

Nikkolas from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Aug 8th 2019 at 8:02:51 AM

Kinda wish they used earlier OP's. I don't recognize either of those songs. I remember Bleach's first couple OP's and I remember every Naruto OP up to Filler Hell. Oh and the first Shippuden OP.

Bleach's first two ED's were fantastic, too.

Edited by Nikkolas on Aug 8th 2019 at 8:03:26 AM

Aug 11th 2019 at 7:44:42 AM

The final part of the novel has been machine translated.

- We are ten years in the future. It's basically the scene where Hitsugaya, Kensei, Hisagi and Rangiku ran to Rukia's promotion.

- Kensei was really just pretending that he never saw Hisagi's Bankai because the Tokinada incident is supposed to be top secret.

- But because of Kenpachi most people have at least heard rumors about Hisagi's Bankai.

- Hitsugaya's ten years of peace basically means that Hitsugaya himself experienced ten years of peace. So as long as Hitsugaya remains unaware, as in this case, anything can happen during these ten years.

- Hisagi is still trying to figure out the complete truth (he has to make sure Tokinada's words were true) and fighting against the corruption of the nobles. He also became good friends with Ginjou's group and has expanded his network of contacts tremendously.

- He is also meeting Hikone regularly. Hikone is living in the outer districts of Rukongai. Specifically, the district Mayuri had wiped out at the beginning of the final arc. Since almost no one breaths there anymore, Hikone won't be bothered. Hisagi wants him to enter the Shinigami academy and become a proper Shinigami. But he figures that both the Gotei and the nobles would never allow his existence.

- Hikone has lost most of his power and is just barely above a random mook. The Hollow sword also has lost most of its power and was returned to Squad Zero.

- Hikone still doesn't hate Tokinada but he realized that he was not a good guy. He matured a lot. He wants to find Aura, though he doesn't even know if she is still alive. Since he has neither access to a Garganta or the Senkaimon and no one with the authority would grant it, that might take a while.

- The Gotei has noticed that Hisagi is visiting the Rukongai quite a lot. Thanks to Kensei trying to be ambiguous, Rangiku's conclusion was that Hisagi has an illegitimate child.

- Hisagi knows that he is fighting an uphill battle, but he is optimistic that the future will be bright.

- If anyone is curious if he will ever publish his article that reveals the truth of Soul Society and the 1000 year blood war, the very beginning of the first novel mentioned that the truth behind the Soul King may come out either in ten or hundred years after the end of the war. Personally, I believe that either Kazui's encounter with Yhwach or Soul Society experiencing 100 days without night, will trigger something that leads to the publication of the article.

So, what is everyone's opinion on the novels, now that they are finished? What did any of you think of the stuff that got revealed? Did it also change how you perceive certain characters, events from the manga or the manga as a whole?

Aug 11th 2019 at 7:50:41 AM

I think Narita has a "Has all the powers!" fetish

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Aug 11th 2019 at 8:09:44 AM

All of Narita's villains tend to just be All the antagonists combined into two or three characters. and yet the all bleed together

Essentially its like the Filler Villains being some flavor Aizen... Narita takes it a step further with the climaxes of his fights being rather Mockbuster reenactments of scenes from the Manga

Cien is taken out by Mugetsu being the go too example.

Narita and well Japan's overall obsession/objectification with Abusive relationships tend to be off putting but then again thats in the Manga in the form of Nemu and Mayrui so its Not just a Narita problem

Narita just REALLY tries to overly Romanticise it.

Narita also is much more blatant with his Author love of his pet characters

"You ever breathe through more then one opening boy? Once I get better you be sure to let me know what its like."
Aug 12th 2019 at 7:49:00 AM

[up][up][up] My opinion on the novels now that they're finished is not a positive one. I'd all but consider them a waste of time despite the answers they provided to the lingering questions from the manga. Then again, I still feel everything following the battle with Aizen (or the battle with Yushima for the anime) and the subsequent loss of Ichigo's powers was pointless. As for my opinions on the revelations? I don't really care one way or another about them at this point. As for it changing my perceptions on certain characters or events... The characters I hated I still loathe. Most of the ones I liked I've all but grown indifferent to or generally dislike now. But that's mostly a product of the final arc and this series of light novels didn't really change much. It just put the final nail in the coffin.

[up][up]Oh, from what I saw of his antagonists here and from what I've heard about his past work in Bleach, I'd say that's all but a given.

[up]Yeah, with Kubo it was easy to spot his pet characters... and Narita manages to go even further beyond that. And that part about the abusive relationships in the series is certainly true and very worrisome. Bad enough with the objectification of them (with no one doing much about them long term) and now the novels romanticizing them... Yeah, no comment.

Edited by Dis-Pear-Is-All-I-Have on Aug 12th 2019 at 8:01:14 AM

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Aug 16th 2019 at 7:20:25 PM

Shinji's bankai actually sounds pretty awesome, especially for sabotage and spy missions.

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Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:39:31 AM

Are there any characters whose abilities and combat track records you feel should have been better than what was seen?

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Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:42:28 AM

I just wanted one full fight for Ukitake.

Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:06:32 AM

Unohana deserved better.

And the old guy Sternritter that shot out Shunsui's eye.

Edited by alekos23 on Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:07:55 PM


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