As for the sequels....anyone here knows if they are gonna choose a canon heroine, or just going to the common plot with some of the routes combined plus some retcons???
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Xan-Xan/edited 3rd Aug '13 5:44:41 PM by lu127
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerWell, its not that they just removed the H-scenes, that could acceptable if you want to get a wider audience, but they also removed and/or modified anything that involves dirty jokes, adult subjects, even kissing, and it seems that the translation have some ..... issues
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Glad to hear that the heroines gets an epilogue at least
edited 3rd Aug '13 11:54:36 PM by LOEADITOOx
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Xan-Xan/Well, trying to appeal to a western mainstream market needs them to shake off the VN=porn mentality (which isn't completely undeserved, considering some VNs out there).
Wait, people are annoyed because they censored panty shots and wet T-shirts? Pffffffffff, those are some of the things the VN market needs to get rid of. It's obvious some of the stuff was cut to get a T rating.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerStill,I personally think that it wasn neccesary to remove most of the stuff in order to get a T-rating, they could get away, just like most of the T-rated Vns anyways,
Not that I can do anything on the matters anyway, what done is done.Guess that I have to wait for the restoration patch...
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Xan-Xan/Removing kiss scenes from the thing is overkill in my opinion, I don't know about the dirty jokes so I won't comment on that.
Personally, I'd wish all erotic content from V Ns (and anime for that matter) would just disappear. It just makes them harder to play if there are people around because sometimes erotic scenes just pop out of nowhere. Also, if someone catches wind of you playing these and they have the mentality that visual novels = porn, it just makes it all the more awkward.
I'm always kind of baffled when I hear someone complaining about this type of censorship (to reach out to bigger audiences), I mean, is it that important that they show you the porn? Would you really prefer keeping this genre niche?
edited 4th Aug '13 6:22:55 PM by runoeddie
I saw someone commenting on the subject that spreading visual novels outside Japan shouldn't be done, and that Japan shouldn't let official companies license VNs, because only the fans that translate them online know how to do it. Because, what are paid professionals compared to online fans, right? -____-
I mean, fan translators are great and kudos to them for their efforts, but they don't have some magical 2deep4u understanding of VNs.
edited 4th Aug '13 6:26:41 PM by lu127
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerI would say that only the crappier, more extraneous H-scenes tend to pop up out of nowhere. I support the position that sexual content should not be mutually exclusive with creating a work of serious artistic merit; sex is a major part of human experience, and there's nothing inherently objectionable about it. I think it says bad things about our society that we don't object to showing explicit violence in media, but shy away from portraying sex even when it's entirely healthy and consensual.
In terms of social conditioning, I think we would probably be better off if it were the other way around, with sexual content being shown while explicit violence is censored. Obviously, this would rob us of a lot of creative works which feature violence as part of the narrative, but I think it's only because we've been brought up in a society where we've been censoring sexual content in our media for most of our history that we think this should not be the case with sexual content as well. Sex is such a major story driver in real life that people will trade off the fates of nations against sexual relationships. It's not just something that occasionally happens in private and can safely be ignored for its lack of relevance to matters of public importance.
That's why I personally support stories which stand to move cultural norms by including sexual content as part of a story of genuine merit, and object to seeing it stripped out in order to satisfy those norms.
...eventually, we will reach a maximum entropy state where nobody has their own socks or underwear, or knows who to ask to get them back.
Sex isn't bad and isn't exclusive to visual novels or h-games, it happens in movies, tv shows, comics, books and even video games. The thing is that in most other media that portray sex, unless they are porn, they don't SHOW you every detail of the fucking. The sexual act can happen without the audience seeing it happen.
Maybe there are some works that are better for showing explicit sex, I never played one that was the case. Most of the time is the novel saying Look, they are now combined in body and spirit and I'm like That's cool and all, but you didn't need to show me every position and moan to tell me that.
Edit: Maybe erotic content isn't really the right term because it's so damn vague, I really meant fanservicy stuff like panty-shots, upskirts and then explicit sex. Imply stuff anyway you want but don't shove it into my face.
edited 5th Aug '13 5:17:23 PM by runoeddie
Desertopa: Well, the fact of the matter is that the details of the sexyfuntimes are generally must less important than what is happening in a combat situation. Someone's death is more important than someone's orgasm. Also, maybe sex shouldn't detract from a work's quality, but it usually does. Very little of relevance will happen during those times, especially since most of it could have happened in normal dialogue. Sex in a story is basically a bonus for people who want to see that sort of thing. For everyone else, it can be a complete waste of time or even repugnant.
I find it perfectly reasonable that a company that wants to sell serious stories would try to downplay the filler sex.
edited 5th Aug '13 2:57:01 PM by Arha
Well, sometimes Official Translations aren better then fan ones..... Moenovel kind of proved that... among other things
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100% agreed.
Well yeah, but that doesn't mean that if someone made a fan translation of the same game it would be better just because it was fan made. Lots of translations have dumb mistakes, official or not.
With that said, since official translations are part of a paid product, and people expect it to be good or professionally edited, you have all the reason you need to complain to them until they get their shit together when it is not.
edited 5th Aug '13 5:28:12 PM by runoeddie
You can strip combat down to the bare essentials too. You can do it Biblical style, so and so killed X soldiers with the jawbone of an ass or whatever. That's all the audience needs to know after all. Who lived, who died, and who suffered injuries which will be significant later.
If sex detracts from a work's quality, then you've got the same problem as if violence detracts from a story; you're just using it badly, either by putting it where it doesn't belong or by writing it badly.
On an unrelated note, I've been intermittently working my way through Grisaia no Kajitsu, and I just got to what's probably the final choice in Sachi's route which determines whether I'll get the good end or the bad end... and the choice boxes aren't translated. Am I somehow the only one who has this problem? Because that's pretty much the ultimate oversight for a translator.
edited 5th Aug '13 7:32:10 PM by Desertopa
...eventually, we will reach a maximum entropy state where nobody has their own socks or underwear, or knows who to ask to get them back.You could do that. It's not good writing to leave the details so vague, though. I've seen decent sex scenes in books, but none off the top of my head in visual novels. If I really thought about it I might be able to think of a few. However, for the most part, once it's in a visual medium part of the purpose of the sex scene will be to titillate, which false flats for people like me who aren't interested in sex. Sex is intimate and meaningful, but it's also easy fanservice.
And yes, violence can detract from a story. It can get gratuitous, or it can make the story pointlessly bleak. I do not, however, think it has nearly the problems associated with it that sex in a visual medium contains.
And no, that's not just you. There's a hotfix at tlwiki, which translated it.
I really need to get back to Grisaia no Kajitsu soon. I've been rather distracted with Ar Tonelico.
edited 5th Aug '13 7:56:13 PM by Arha
The first example that comes to mind when I try to think of a good sex scene in a visual novel is the sex scene in the shed in Emi's route in Katawa Shoujo. I don't think it's necessarily bad to use sex scenes for titillation, any more than it's bad to use fight scenes for excitement, but it's easy to try and do it cheaply. But a scene like that, I think the route definitely would have suffered for its removal.
...eventually, we will reach a maximum entropy state where nobody has their own socks or underwear, or knows who to ask to get them back.

I think the second game covers most of the stuff about Yuuji that the first doesn't get into.
Although it would be a lot less dramatic that way, I think Sachi's route suffers in terms of realism for how nobody even considers trying normal therapy.
...eventually, we will reach a maximum entropy state where nobody has their own socks or underwear, or knows who to ask to get them back.