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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#76: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:00:32 PM

The creatures that we are calling zombies are what have been called zombies for longer than I've been alive. These are the traditional zombies now. The voudoo ones are largely forgotten culturally. Language and words evolve.

edited 20th Nov '10 7:01:12 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#77: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:03:54 PM

they are not traditional how can they be zombies in the first place if they are in name only and evolved completley independently.

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#78: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:06:03 PM

Blame John Romero. They're what most people think of as zombies though. Nothing stops a word from having multiple definitions. It accounts for most of English. The problem with living languages is what words mean change. This is what zombie means these days.

edited 20th Nov '10 7:08:13 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#79: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:06:16 PM

Oh, um, I think I understand? Probably not.

The phrase "zombie apocalypse" is about an event caused in a certain way by a certain kind of monster. You are focusing on it being an event caused by a monster, which is not accurate. The phrase specifically means that the world is overrun by undead monsters that spread rapidly, wipe out humans primarily by eating or biting them, and are usually highly infectious. The trope is not supposed to be about any kind of apocalypse caused by monsters, so the word "zombie" is not unnecessarily narrow, because it more or less exactly describes the correct ingredients. Plus it is a popcultural term that means exactly that.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#80: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:10:42 PM

zombie describes som thing very specific andnot the genral "invading monster" it describes a very specific monster.

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#81: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:11:37 PM

Zombie Apocalypse is not about a general invasion of monsters.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#82: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:12:59 PM

Yes, and the traits of that very specific monster are defining factors of a Zombie Apocalypse. The trope isn't about general invading monsters. It's about zombies and things that work like zombies.

edited 20th Nov '10 7:13:52 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#83: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:13:18 PM

according to the contents its not about an invasion of zombies either.

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#84: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:13:50 PM

/headdesk

edited 20th Nov '10 7:14:02 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#85: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:14:24 PM

Right. I'm just going to leave and stop feeding the troll.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#86: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:17:26 PM

gah now i've been deraild from my original point it snot the pont of what is and isn't a zombie which you are sort of driving me to at times it is the point hat the trope isn't exclusive to zombies of any kind.

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#87: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:19:45 PM

We've been over this. We read the trope. It's about zombies and things that act like zombies. You have lost this argument multiple times already. We don't need to do it again. You're just going in circles and ignoring everyone else. That's trolling. Please stop.

edited 20th Nov '10 7:20:08 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#88: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:24:35 PM

i'm sorry but le tme take a look

  1. Richard Matheson's 1954 book I Am Legend, while it was about vampires and not zombies, is an important precursor to the genre. Matheson's novel was adapted into the films The Last Man on Earth, the most faithful adaptation, and later into The Omega Man, which apes the then-recent Night to a degree and turns the vampires into Luddite photophobic albino mutants produced by biological warfare. The most recent adaptation, I Am Legend in 2007, has the infected more like an odd cross between zombies and vampires. from the lit section of the page itself now is that about zombies?

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#89: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:28:49 PM

Having read the book myself, they fall into the category of functionally zombies. They conform to enough of the zombie stereotypes that they are close enough for the trope to function.

edited 20th Nov '10 7:29:29 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#90: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:30:20 PM

but they predate that horrid cocnept of "zombie" and are clealry VAMPIRES. whatever i don't want to cuase any harm I just wanted to try and do som thing around here and that was a failure.

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#91: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:35:46 PM

They do. It was a prototrope at that stage. Still, those vampires are responsible for the zombies of today existing. Vampires or not, they're what a large part of the zombie mythos is based off of. They wouldn't have been vampires by traditional standards. Traditional vampires are far closer to modern zombies, or were until Stoker redefined them.

edited 20th Nov '10 7:36:36 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#92: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:36:55 PM

I totally appreciate the sentiment of wanting to "do something", this wiki is awesome and it's great to contribute. But "I want to make a change" is a bad motive for making a change, that will end in tears.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#93: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:39:45 PM

i don't know I give up on this just drives me nbuts for some reasohn i'm a stickler for Genre Consistancy.

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#94: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:40:33 PM

Sadly the Genre itself isn't. It happens. Conventions evolve over time. This is just one of them.

edited 20th Nov '10 7:42:07 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#95: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:44:53 PM

that would slide wiht me if it weren't for the fact that modenr zombies didn't evolve from treditional zombies at all and actually did so independently of them and stole the name.

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
JackMackerel from SOME OBSCURE MEDIA Since: Jul, 2010
#96: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:47:28 PM

I've suggested a Monster Apocalypse supertrope for Zombie Apocalypse and such, but it's dead.

In any case, these are very specific tropes.

Half-Life: Dual Nature, a crossover story of reasonably sized proportions.
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#97: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:51:09 PM

No, they evolved from a combination of traditional zombies, pre-Stoker vampires, and Frankenstein. They weren't as different in the beginning. My best friend wrote her Master's thesis on zombies. I know far more about them than I want to.

edited 20th Nov '10 7:55:28 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#98: Nov 20th 2010 at 7:59:25 PM

at any rate this isn't the place for such debates unless they are important to the objective which by this point they ar enot.

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
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