False. This logic is not that anything and everything are like zombies. It is that ghouls are like zombies. And the, um, Rage virus "infected" are like zombies. And vampires are sort of like zombies. The important part is that the world is overrun by undead monsters, not that the world is overrun by a specific kind of undead monster. But it's usually zombies.
edited 20th Nov '10 6:19:31 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.The problem is, that no other name would let people understand what the trope is quiet as instantly. Most people are not overly literal. They can make jumps that this is about a scenario. The page explains that it's about the scenario. Making things be overly inclusive means sacrificing clarity and usability which I think are far more important. Unless you have another name that is a pre-existing term with as much penetration for this trope, all you'd be doing is hurting the page.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick![]()
ok how are they "like" zombies? is ther eany sort of vodou involved? what they are "like" is ghouls. but more importantly it wouldnt make ti hard to find because the redirect would still exist. that is somthing easy to search.
I know the exact difference between a zombie and a ghoul. Many people don't.
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they share many traits: undead (usually) human, can cause victims to "turn", eat human flesh (often brains), mindless... and that is already being myopic about what "ghoul" means, the dictionary has some definitions that have nothing at all to do with undead monsters (e.g. grave robber, Chinese demon, disgusting/ghoulish...).
edited 20th Nov '10 6:35:10 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.And You Gotta Have Blue Hair doesn't just cover blue hair. We don't believe Viewers Are Morons.
edited 20th Nov '10 6:35:29 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickThis isn't really relevant, for all the pre-existing term reasons already given, but after three pages I have to say it...
From The Other Wiki...
The Arabian ghoul is a desert-dwelling, shapeshifting demon that can assume the guise of an animal, especially a hyena. It lures unwary travellers into the desert wastes to slay and devour them. The creature also preys on young children, robs graves, drinks blood, steals coins and eats the dead, taking on the form of the one they previously ate.
In the Arabic language, the female form is given as ghouleh and the plural is ghilan. In colloquial Arabic, the term is sometimes used to describe a greedy and/or gluttonous individual.
What definition of ghoul are you using to say that modern zombies fit them?
edited 20th Nov '10 6:37:18 PM by BritBllt
"And for the first time in weeks, I felt the boredom go away!"![]()
No. We had that talk. People understood it just fine when we checked the wiks. You know what people do with that trope when someone has green hair? They pothole You Gotta Have Green Hair. You could pothole Ghoul Apocalypse if you want. That's what they're there for.
edited 20th Nov '10 6:36:27 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick![]()
The D&D Monstrous Manual definition, I guess. IMO that is an argument for the title being fine, objections depend on a particular definition.
edited 20th Nov '10 6:36:57 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.Or the Fallout version. Or the version Anita Blake uses. The terms keep evolving. I didn't say they were always the same thing, but then again, zombies weren't originally dead.
edited 20th Nov '10 6:38:41 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickI think I can return to the thread, now that I understand where you're coming from a bit more.
Seriously, the title's not that big a deal for most readers.
If you want, I thought maybe we could add:
The trope Zombie Apocalypse refers to any kind of undead apocalypse — the common traits of this trope are that the undead spread rapidly, wipe out humans primarily by eating or biting them, and are usually highly infectious. Also known as Undead Apocalypse.
Not related to real Zombies, who have a difficult time causing Apocalypses.
Then have Undead Apocalypse be a Redirect to the page.
I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to a name that was actually snappier than Zombie Apocalypse replacing the name, reducing Zombie Apocalypse to a redirect.
I would also be inclined to support some sort of Soft Split of the page, but I think there would have to be a lot of examples for the split to go ahead.
EDIT: What does everyone else think of this, too? K? Not K? What parts are K/Not K? Also, I'm going to bed now.
Tv Tropes is ruining my sleep.
edited 20th Nov '10 6:42:48 PM by mmysqueeant
Good idea. Done. See also: Our Zombies Are Different
edited 20th Nov '10 6:44:25 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.Are they enough like zombies for the trope to apply? Are they slowly turning humanity into them with everyone they kill? Are they monstrous and terrifying? Are they a danger to normal people? If they are, then they're close enough for the trope. If not, well, then maybe you need to find a different trope for them. Most of the requirements for this trope are things that are specifically iconic to zombies or at least to modern zombies.
edited 20th Nov '10 6:51:44 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickIf the monsters share no traits with zombies, then it's not a Zombie Apocalypse. What are you saying?
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.The main distinction, as shima said, is how they're used in the story: if the infected, the vampires, the alien parasites or whatever are shambling, mindless things that attack the living and overwhelm civilization through sheer numbers, it's a Zombie Apocalypse. If the story's playing out in a completely different way (like a cabal of vampires orchestrating a secret plot to blot out the Sun), then it's a different trope. Zombie Apocalypse refers to the situation famously described by that phrase, not just to zombies causing the apocalypse. The reason the trope's named Zombie Apocalypse is simply because that's the name the public associates with that kind of situation.
edited 20th Nov '10 7:00:31 PM by BritBllt
"And for the first time in weeks, I felt the boredom go away!"

It doesn't have to be.
edited 20th Nov '10 6:14:04 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.