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#1126: Mar 11th 2010 at 9:25:07 AM

You might be able to make a decent RPG based on the world medieval Europeans thought they lived in, but FATAL's mechanics aren't a good starting place.

DrRockopolis Rock On from Barsoom Since: Sep, 2009
Rock On
#1127: Mar 11th 2010 at 9:27:45 AM

Burning Wheel?

  • I gotta get around to writing up the article for that...

edited 11th Mar '10 9:28:05 AM by DrRockopolis

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JBridge null from Alameda, CA Since: Jan, 2001
null
#1128: Mar 11th 2010 at 10:13:22 PM

I'm amazed that no one caught the joke in the name.

There's no space in the name.
DrRockopolis Rock On from Barsoom Since: Sep, 2009
Rock On
#1129: Mar 11th 2010 at 10:49:48 PM

Wasn't sure what to say.

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WillyFourEyes from [Hyperlink blocked] (Troper Sage) Relationship Status: Abstaining
#1130: Mar 12th 2010 at 3:44:02 AM

Failures and Trolls and Losers?

Whee! Fun acronyms are fun!

"It ain't about whether you win or lose, unless you got money on the game, because...damn. That's your money, son."
CountDorku Behold my legal acumen! from the depths of insanity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Behold my legal acumen!
#1131: Mar 14th 2010 at 6:34:39 PM

@J Bridge: Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

Don't forget Condensed, Lightened, Optimised, Amended and Cleansed Adaptation of Tabletop Immersive Metagaming Entertainment. CLOACA TIME

Also Revised, Amended, Non-Denominational Youth-Group Appropriate, Youngster's Optimised Gaming Rules Edition Secundus. RANDY GAY OGRES

Really, we can do this all day.

polymphus Since: Dec, 2019
#1132: Mar 15th 2010 at 4:00:29 AM

You really did it?!? You know, I never did fully finish Testostikles' character sheet...

lightcastle Since: Dec, 1969
#1133: Mar 18th 2010 at 1:18:17 PM

Good lord. I hate/admire/fear/respect/tremble before/run screaming from you all.

Wow. I can't believe I just read that.

I can't believe I just CREATED AN IDENTITY HERE just to comment on it.

I just... can't.

GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
The Shadows Devour You.
#1134: Mar 18th 2010 at 1:30:39 PM

Ah, the Bile Fascination has claimed another young annonymii. Yes, this is pretty much the reason why I've followed this thread and the Sonichu thread.

Welcome to the TV tropes forums by the way. Watch out for falling anvils, don't let the leprechaun talk you into starting fires, and don't worry about the Eldritch Abomination, he's nice enough once you get to know him.

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
lightcastle Since: Dec, 1969
#1135: Mar 18th 2010 at 6:59:23 PM

Thanks Game Chainsaw.

I've been a fan of this place for quite some time now, since it is so terribly useful.

I've known of FATAL for quite some time as well, but up until now, the Bile Fascination wasn't quite enough for me to succumb. This seemed so much better.

Now, of course, I too want to make a refugee from FATAL world for my next high-fantasy RPG character.

(I also want to run a Heroquest2 version of My Immortal, which is not a good idea, I suspect. smile)

CountDorku Behold my legal acumen! from the depths of insanity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Behold my legal acumen!
#1136: Mar 19th 2010 at 7:08:38 PM

@Lightcastle: Welcome aboard, have a fishy stick.

Yes, a heroquest version of My Immortal probably isn't a good idea. But why should that stop you?

lightcastle Since: Dec, 1969
#1137: Mar 20th 2010 at 12:26:22 PM

Ultimately, it won't. :)

The rest of my life might, though.

(Hmm.. now that I think about it, an HQ game using only Trope names as abilities might be a neat idea.)

Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#1138: Mar 20th 2010 at 9:04:32 PM

I feel sorta sorry I started reading too late to join in on this...

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
Slender King of kings from Somewhere near myself Since: Mar, 2010
King of kings
#1139: Mar 21st 2010 at 4:51:31 PM

As lightcastle has done...I've..god I can't believe a thread that includes the words RANDY GAY OGRES (my new battle cry by the way) was the one to get me to actually make an identity.My eyeballs burn but I can't stop watching.Also,for those of you who want to play an actual game using FATAL:From Another Pit Another Lame ass D&D rip off with enough originality to match Byron Hall' Sanity there's a helpful online tool called Maptool that might be able to handle the strain of running such an abomination.

Fnord.
CountDorku Behold my legal acumen! from the depths of insanity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Behold my legal acumen!
#1140: Mar 21st 2010 at 7:15:16 PM

@Slender: Unless Maptool has a 'therapist' feature, it probably won't cut it.

WillyFourEyes from [Hyperlink blocked] (Troper Sage) Relationship Status: Abstaining
#1141: Mar 21st 2010 at 7:20:35 PM

Or a "suicide" button...

"It ain't about whether you win or lose, unless you got money on the game, because...damn. That's your money, son."
CountDorku Behold my legal acumen! from the depths of insanity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Behold my legal acumen!
#1142: Mar 22nd 2010 at 1:22:30 AM

And now, to ease comprehension of the "rebuttal", we present...the English/Abyronation Bilingual Dictionary. Painstakingly produced from the rebuttal, FATAL, bathroom gossip, wild speculation, and a magic 8-ball.

Historically and mythologically accurate scholarship.
Stuff I made up.

Most of the random magical effects are intended as humorous
I think crude vulgarity is funny!

Bell curve
That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

I've gone to great lengths to be clear
I've gone to great lengths to piss people off.

It (hopefully) discourages people from being so willing to play retards.
Intellectually subnormal people in FATAL have a chance of gaining a strength bonus, so you shouldn't want to play them. Not that this matters, because all your stats are randomly determined...yeah, I'm beginning to hate me too.

FATAL could have more complicated sex
I don't even know what half those drugs were, let alone why I took them.

Any child can rant
I'm such a failure at life I can't even rant properly. God I hate being me.

FATAL does not specialise in Greek mythology
I do not understand this Earth concept of "jokes"

Where is dating included?
Wait! Don't hit me! I'll hit me!

Please don't get boggled down.
I don't understand how English works.

When Darren MacLennan chose libel and defamation of character to debate, I stopped posting
I spent three days sulking in the garage.

I have neither searched for nor found any material supporting Retard Strength
Screw it, everyone knows I'm a lying idiot, I might as well admit it.

Realism
I keep using this word. I should not think it means what I think it means.

One assumption I have made in writing FATAL, and it won't be made explicit until the gaming world is written, is that all non-European influence has been removed. That's right, I've attempted to minimize Asian, Middle-Eastern, and Egyptian influences, as well as others. Therefore, corpses are not embalmed and buried, but burned. Asian spices do not exist, nor does tobacco or zombies. Consequently, the human race is Caucasian.
I'm an idiot.

This is not racism, but merely the result of restricting the scope of the game to only that which originated in Europe. Hopefully, you will not find food, plants, herbs, monsters, nor anything else originating from outside Europe.
And a liar.

It's amazing how many terms there are in English for loose women, and lack thereof for men. And it's my fault for representing the English language, which is a result of history?
Breaking news, folks, I'm still an idiot!

And none of those games to my knowledge have scholarship and footnotes to sources
I've actually managed to understand less than nothing about game design

Darren, who only refers to his high school experience, can tell?
Gotta keep talking about my MA, then people will start believing I actually have one

He may also want to consider the justified murder of all the "whores" (as they're referenced several times) in Penelope's house, because they are sluts.
Did I actually write that after making up all that bullshit about not being a misogynist? Fuck.

The tables are well-reasoned
I’ve had far, far too much crack.

For the record, I enjoy controversial humor
For the record, I enjoy being an arse and calling it controversial humour.

Sure, what better way to represent chaos magic than with a higher degree of randomness.
I just had the most marvelous idea for pissing people off!

One supportive example is my nomination for a University Fellowship due to academic performance that was consistent and superior.
I’m a cheat as well as a liar and a troll.

Ether was considered a magical construct
I have no fucking idea what I’m talking about.

All flames were by RP Gnetters
I’m a troll.

FATAL is the best role-playing game that there could be!
Goodbye. Me am Bizarro.

WillyFourEyes from [Hyperlink blocked] (Troper Sage) Relationship Status: Abstaining
#1143: Mar 22nd 2010 at 5:35:07 AM

Translation: Byron Hall is a fucking moron.

"It ain't about whether you win or lose, unless you got money on the game, because...damn. That's your money, son."
ManCalledTrue The Lunatic in Your Hall from Nowhere Since: Jan, 2001
The Lunatic in Your Hall
#1144: Mar 22nd 2010 at 9:41:19 AM

I tried to read the rebuttal once. The sheer, concentrated douchebaggery and idiocy made me dizzy, to the point I had to retreat. At least in FATAL he restricted his arrogance to the intro and aedile advice.

Though I still laugh at how he apparently thinks "vampire" is your job in Vampire The Masquerade.

I haven't known true fear in a very, very long time.
CountDorku Behold my legal acumen! from the depths of insanity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Behold my legal acumen!
#1145: Mar 22nd 2010 at 10:46:52 PM

@Willy Four Eyes: "Byron is a fucking idiot, and to say FATAL blows would be an insult to hairdryers" is pretty much the "too long, didn't read" version of this entire thread.

edited 22nd Mar '10 10:49:03 PM by Count Dorku

CountDorku Behold my legal acumen! from the depths of insanity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Behold my legal acumen!
#1146: Mar 22nd 2010 at 10:48:01 PM

Accursed doublepost!

edited 22nd Mar '10 10:48:41 PM by Count Dorku

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#1147: Mar 23rd 2010 at 7:39:53 AM

Wow, I never noticed the sup/tg/ link in the So Bad Its Horrible page. FATAL is The Aristocrats!

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Christopholes 100 rounds of Sweet Daka from The Swamp Since: Nov, 2009
100 rounds of Sweet Daka
#1148: Mar 31st 2010 at 11:31:26 AM

Downloaded pdf and rolled character. Rolled a... a... I guess. I'll get back to that. All right. I went through the "Another Time" version. I went through the whole process of character creation, all the way to spells. Well, open gedit ctrl-c ctrl-v and...

Why do I do these things? Why?

Name: None yet

Race: human

Class: Sorceress!

Lvl: 1

LP: 28(not to shabby)

Gender: female(for lulz)

Age: 16! Jailbait!

Height 55 inches... 11" below avg

Weight: 105.. 10lbs below avg

BMI: 24.22, yay no stupid modifiers

Most Attractive: face

Most repulsive: lips

Skin: fair

Hair: Black... Elegant Gothic lolita? No too old

Hair length: 21"

Hair type: thick and kinky...

Eyes: Blue grey

Breadth: 27.5"

Vision: perfect, yay

Aeriola diameter: 1.5"

Hue: Medium

nipple length 1/4"

Protruding upper lip: yet another facial charisma penalty

Cup: B...

Vaginal circumference: 3" the games minimum.

Depth: 5.565"... it is deeper than it is around

Tongue: 2"(a small tongue)

Anal circumference: I rolled the max: 15"

Hymen resistance: 43

Hey i avoided menstrual discomfort! yay!

Feet: 7" game min! joy!

Fist: 7"

Right handed.

head circumference: 23.223"

Physique: 116(skill+12)

Fitness: 64(roll 69-5) [Skill -21, sprint 34]

Strength: 123 (roll164-41) [skill +12, damage +12%, lp+2, clean 70, bench 141, dead 211]

Body: 151(170-19 for physique) [skill+25]

Health: 128 (roll 128) [skill+14, LP+4, Vomit -14, Illness 65%]

Chrisma: 153(skill+29)

Facial: 151 (roll167-16) [skill+25, "good looking"]

Vocal: 169( [skill+32, melodic]

Kinetic Charisma: 171 (roll171) [skilled+32, refined]

Rehtorical Charisma: 163 (roll163) [skill+30, avg speech 170]

Dexterity: 102 (skill-2)

Hand-eye: 81(roll 81) [skill-10, precision 1/16"]

Agility: 156(roll 156) [Skill+25, Armor+9, brawl 3, sec to stand 2]

Reaction time: 34 (roll 34) [skill-44, sleep 5]

Enunciation: 139 (roll 139) [skill+20, Speech 270wpm, -14% cast time]

Intelligence: 127 (skill+20)

Language 202([roll 195+7) [skill+43, Languages 7]

Math 136 (roll 134+2) [Skill+17, Trig]

Spatial: 107 (roll105+2) [skill+3, parts 250]

Anylitic: 134 (roll 129+5) [skill+17]

Wisdom 138 (skill+17)

Drive: 131 (roll133-2) [skill +14, lp+2, 14hrs relaxing]

Inutition: 112 (roll107+5) [skill+6]

Common sense: 127 (roll 127) [skill+14]

Reflection 161 (roll174+4) [+34, age 1]

Piety points: 54[Worships intermittently]

Ethicality: Neutral+

Moarality: Neutral+

Sanguine: 0

Choleric 73

Melancholy: 68

Phlem: 71

Mental illness: 3(oh fun): Paranoia, Borderline Personality disorder, RAPTOPHILLIA. So she is a paranoid, and depressed (cuts herself daily). I rolled a freaking gothic rapist(headdesk)

Birthday: June/22

Birth: legit. yay.

Class: Upper middle class, Literate

Moneies: none now..

Home: Capital city.

Siblings: none

Martial: Single, whew.

Sexuality: hetero

Debauchery: 86...

Dad is a scholar

Mom is a cook

Class Stuff

I get 3 disciplines: Ether,Air, and Water, so no killing with fire :(

I know: 10 spells, get there later

Spells are level: 1

MP: 57 reg: 2/hr awake. 3/hr asleep

Skills:

Acting(drama): 24

Agriculture: 14

Aim: -5

Anatomy: 20

Animal handling: 6

Appraise: 17

Architecture: 10

Armor(General): 0

Armor(Specific):0

Armorsmithing: 3

Balance: 25

Basket Weaving: 2

Blacksmithing: 7

Blindfighting: -12

Bookbinding: 14

Bowyer: +3

Brasssmithing: 7

Brawling: 25

Brewing: 14

Candlemaking: 14

Carpentry: 3

Cartography: 3

Catching: -10

Charioteering: -2

Cheesemaking: 14

Cleaning: 14

Climb: 29

Clockmaking: 3

Cobbling: 14

Comedy(Buffonory): 29

Comedy(Physical): 26

Comedy(Pun): 29

Constellations: 21

Contortion: 11

Cooking:14

Coppersmithing: 7

Cosmetics: 9

Cosmos(General Planes): 23

Cosmos(Specific): 20

Dancing: 28

Delousing: -10

Diagnosis: 18

Direction Sense: 6

Disarm: 7

Disguise: 21

Dismemberment: 0

Divine(Astrology): 23

Divine(All others):6

Dyeing: -10

Enamelling: -10

Engraving: -10

Etiquette: 18:

Fishing: 14

Fletching: 3

Forestering: 14

Forging: 16

Gamble: 15

Gemcutting: 3

Genealogy: 24

Girdle-making: 14

Glass-blowing: 3

Glovemaking: 3

Goldsmithing: 3

Grooming: 14

Haggling: 18

Hairstyling: -3

Hatmaking: 14

Heraldry: 14

Herbalism: 20

Hewing: 12

Hide: 19

History(All): 20

Hunting: -10

Hurl: 0

Impaling: 0

Inkmaking: 14

Intimidate: 20

Juggling: -10

Jump: 0

Language(read/write): literate

Language(speak): 43, which cancels out LC

Law: 20

Locksmithing: 3

Lockpicking: -10

Logic: +17

Mangling: 0

Massage: +11

Math(all): +17

Milking: 2

Milling: 14

Mining: 14

Minting: 14

Mountaineering: 5

Music(counterpoint): 17

Music(Theory): 17

Music(instrument): -3

Nature(all): 23

Painting: -3

Papermaking: 3

Parry: 10

Perfumemaking: 14

Persuasion: 29

Pewtersmithing: 7

Philosophy: 20

Pickpocket: -10

Pottery: 14

Pursemaking: 14

Read lips: 6

Religion: 20

Remember detail: 34

Research: 20

Riding: 25

Ritual(complex): 5

Ropemaking: 14

Rope use: -10

Saddlemaking: 14

Sailing: 20

Sailmaking: 3

Sculpture: -2

Search: 10

Seduction: 27

Sexual Adeptness: 27

Sheathe making: 14

Shipwright: 3

Sight: 8 (unlike the other senses, you do not start w/3d10 in this, so she is almost blind)

Silence: 14

Silversmithing: 7

Skinning: 14

Smell: 12 (and I cannot invest more than 2 sp here)

Soapmaking: 14

Sound:210 (and cannot invest more than 5sp here)

Spellcasting(combat): 17 aka auto pass

Spellcasting(familiarity): 20 aka auto pass

Spellcasting(specific): 0

Spitting: 20

Stonemasonry: 7

Storytelling: 29

Surgery: 5

Swim: -4

Symbology: 20

Tailoring: -3

Tanning: 14

Taste: 7 (cannot invest more than 4 pts)

Teaching: 13

Thatching: 14

Tilemaking: 14

Tinkering: 14

Touch: 29 (cannot invest more than 3 pts here)

Toxicology: 20

Tracking: 20

Transcribing: 43

Trapping: 14

Trickery: 29

Tumble: 25

Urinating: 7 (wow, she can urinate on demand!, if only a little bit)

Vertiliquism: 20

Wainwrighting: 14

Weapons:

Weapon(knife):(5) if S (-10), if SA (+1), if A(+7)

Weapon(specific): as above

Weapon trick: -10

Weapon Smithing: 3

Weapon Mastery: 0

Weather Prediction: 24

Weaving: 14

Whellwrighting: 3

Wilderness Lore: 20

Wrestling: 18(nice to know she can avoid rape)

Invetory: (joy)

thigh boots (count as leather armour for legs & feet)

Bandeux

Underwear

A cloak

Hunting Knife (SA(+1 to hit), 13"(T), range: 12', damage 1d8, penetration?: -/-15/-25

This gives her a defigre of 6.3, or 0% fail chance.

Spells (finally 500 pages in...) Ether, air, water, and i get 10 spells

here goes

Lvl 1: Ascertain Properties Call chilly gust (1d6-1 damage in a 20X20X20 cube) Call light Charm Small Mammal Detect Magic Lesser healing (1d10) Lesser hologram Pleasure berry Putrid portrait Raise Prowess

Yay. All done

Spelling mistakes likely abound. I did this in three sittings. Any name suggestions would be welcome.

edited 31st Mar '10 11:34:27 AM by Christopholes

Christopholes 100 rounds of Sweet Daka from The Swamp Since: Nov, 2009
100 rounds of Sweet Daka
#1149: Mar 31st 2010 at 11:37:39 AM

I already have at least a streamlining process planned for the skills, and will reluctantly sacrifice my Spring break if you want me to try rewriting this.

Let us see. Lump all the skills that could be profession and use common sense into... profession. All the metal working skills could be just metalworking. Divination could be similar, but Astrology uses Intel rather than Intuition.

Then we lump all the classes like barber and cook into a common class, as they are redundant. We could make a common skill modifier chart like they have in 3.5e Dn D. I'll take a chainsaw to the random magic effect table later. I could probably make a decent chart w/out all the juvenile and redundant effects. However, it is pretty much FATAL's anti-soul, so maybe we should keep it. I'm not a medical physicist, but the orifice ripping table and the graphic gore tables could be better while still retaining the concept. Any medical physicists out there could give input. Or we could just cut one or both of them.

Removing the gender modifiers is a must.

Yeah, we could do this.

The stat block above would go from ~275 lines to ~240, and with more skill reform, we could drop it even further.

edited 31st Mar '10 1:02:09 PM by Christopholes

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#1150: Mar 31st 2010 at 2:00:51 PM

So in this POS game system, you only choose "female" and the dice decided you were a 16 years-old girl with perfect vision but "nearly blind", with unnecessary details such as humongous aureolas and an "anal circumference" 5 times wider than..., her most repulsive feature in the middle of her most attractive one, who is also a paranoid rapist but at least speaks magnificently... Mr Hall sure did a masterpiece here.

edited 24th May '15 3:36:10 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."

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