Regarding the Trivia namespace (crowner switched 20th Jan 2020)

I think I brought that up a while ago, but I don't recall the discussion going anywhere. But I agree, Denied Parody requires Word of God confirming that they were not specifically parodying a specific target.

Denied Parody should be Trivia since it isn't part of the work itself.

How long does it takes for an approval to be finalized? Role Reprisal must have been languishing for more than a year now...

Responding to this post: If simply reusing an old idea does not automatically make it a reference, why is Whole-Plot Reference considered more substantial? What "substance" does it have beyond "Yep, we're doing this again!"? Examples consistently say scripts are beat-for-beat and twist-for-twist recycling, and your Psych example appears on Homage which also inspires a work (but isn't always tied to the same plot).

I’ll go ahead and post it on the trivia page within the next couple of days unless someone objects.

Edited by gjjones on Mar 18th 2019 at 3:56:54 PM

Shouldn't Focus Group Ending and Revised Ending be trivia since it requires behind-the-scenes knowledge?

Shouldn't Focus Group Ending and Revised Ending be trivia since it requires behind-the-scenes knowledge?

Since Revised Ending looks like it includes examples where the creator revised the work before publication, I agree that both RE and Focus Group Ending should be Trivia. Orwellian Retcon is mentioned for examples where both the original and the revised ending are published.

I think I Am the Band should be trivia, because it has nothing to with musical works or narrative tropes in them rather behind-the-scenes facts.

Record Producer should be trivia. It's about real life music producers, not a trope appearing in songs, music or music videos.

Record Producer is already included in the crowner, since I brought that one up a couple of years ago, alongside various others music "tropes" that really have nothing to do about narratives in music or its performance. However, most of those are still stuck in crowner, because people have voted on them not being trivia. They include:

• Re-release the Song
• Long-Runner Line-up
• Revolving Door Band
• Supergroup
• Public Domain Soundtrack
• Record Producer
• Loudness War
• Band of Relatives
• Greatest Hits Album
• New Sound Album

For people who have voted them "not trivia", I'd be interested in hearing why you don't think they are?

I don't see how New Sound Album is trivia. It's about a change in the style of music from one album to the next, and the style of music is something only discernible by listening to it. We have plenty of tropes (Contrasting Sequel Protagonist, Cerebus Syndrome, etc) for how other types of media change within installments and I don't see how this is different.

Band of Relatives is sort of tricky. There are examples where the family aspect is in the band name (i.e. The Allman Brothers Band) and thus part of the body of work, and the "Type 2" category often involves the band playing up the family aspect as a gimmick in someway in performances. But "band where the relatives just happen to be related" seems like trivia.

Public Domain Soundtrack, Loudness War, and Greatest Hits Album are all borderline. They're all things that a viewer/listener might recognize merely from the text, so in that sense not Trivia. Public Domain Soundtrack is pretty similar to Shout-Out in terms of being in the work but relying on some kind of outside knowledge. Loudness War and Greatest Hits Album are both recognizable to listeners who are familiar with a band's body of work without needing external information, but only reflect external influence and not anything creative from the band itself.

The others seem like trivia to me.

Edited by naturalironist on Mar 26th 2019 at 7:08:52 AM

Can we remove all the completed entries below?

The Joy of X of is about works having a title that's a snowclone of another work's title. Seems like a textbook example of trivia to me?

Dummied Out should be a trivia page, since as per the description it's more information than a storytelling trope.

Avoid the Dreaded G Rating should go on here.

Queer Show Ghetto should be undeer YMMV, not Trivia.

It has two counterparts which are already under YMMV, so I vote yes to this.

Off-Model to trivia. It's a page on animation errors.

They're errors within the work, like Series Continuity Error and Writers Cannot Do Math. You don't even need information external to the work to realize the art is inconsistent with itself.

Pigeonholed Director?

I'm not sure it matters to mark that as Trivia, because it should be Cross Wicking to the Creator page, not work pages, which allows Trivia on-page.

On the Unreleased Work Speculation Cleanup thread, Brainulator9 expressed some thoughts that we should make Author's Saving Throw a trivia entry.

Thoughts?

That would make more sense in my opinion. It's not really subjective whether this thing happened or not — maybe we don't know, but that's not the same thing.

I believe I expressed support in the TRS thread.