Regarding the Trivia namespace (crowner switched 5th Jun 2016)

The Trope Overdosed entry seems more suited as a Just for Fun page.

Selling the Show is behind-the-scenes info related to the marketing of a work.

Shouldn't I Just Write the Thing be trivia? It has a number of In-Universe examples, but fundamentally it's about an attitude the creator has toward creation, more than the work itself.

According to the trope description, the trope is about how the author talks about his creation and his characters (claiming to feel heartbroken when a character dies, for example). As long as said tlaking is done outside of the work - perhaps in an interview, or on the author's blog - it clearly sounds like trivia.

Should The Board Game & Themed Stock Board Game be trivia? I’ll add them to the crowner anyway, but I’d like to get input.

The Board Game is the Table Top Game version of The Movie and the Novelization. Since neither are considered trivia, I don't think this should be either.

Themed Stock Board Game is a type of crossover. It's clearly something that exists in the work. Why would that be trivia by any definition? If you add stuff to the crowner, you should probably say something, anything at all, about why you think they should be trivia. Just tossing them into the crowner without saying anything about them doesn't provide any argument or discussion useful for determining how much they aren't trivia.

Also, .

The Board Game is explicitly identified as a subtrope of The Merch, which is trivia.

Well, that implies that a themed board game is primarily merchandise, with little creative depth. All the themed variants of Monopoly are examples of this, at least as long as they just replace the street names.

´But you could also see a board game as a derivative work with creative depth, if the game really tries to capture more than superficial aspects of the original. The Battlestar Galactica board game is an example (the game really hinges on Cylons infiltrating human society; it's not just a re-branding of an existing game idea). This is more like the analogues in .

I'm thinking that we're confusing the category of "Trivia item that must be listed on Trivia subpage" with "anything that would be weird to list in the work's trope list". Much like Vampire Fiction is clearly not trivia, but you wouldn't put it in the trope list for Twilight, The Board Game and Themed Stock Board Game are genres.

I'm not sure I'd call either a genre. They don't follow a set of themes like story genres, nor game mechanics like game genres. Board Games is a type of media, and these are either an adaptation of a work into this media or what's essentially a reskin of an existing work. They can be of any genre of board games or works. They're both types adaptations. They'd probably fit into Derivative Works.

edited 22nd Feb '18 8:27:00 AM by AnotherDuck

I feel Orphaned Series should be made Trivia since it deals with behind the scenes information and the reason a series ends prematurely is not part of the work itself.

Divided for Publication reads like Trivia. Can we make that a Trivia entry?

Mutually Fictional is definitely a trope. The description and examples are describing plot relevant incidents, so the page should not have the trivia banner.

I launched Writer Conflicts With Canon because it had 20 hats and the TLP seemed ready to launch. I'm listing it under Trivia just like the other Word of God tropes.

I think Denied Parody should be considered trivia. The trope revolves around the creators denying that their work was parodying or satirizing a specific target (i.e., a public figure, another work, an organization). Since it requires Word of God to deny it, it relies on material from outside the work itself.

I agree with that. It's entirely about Word of God.

edited 25th May '18 12:19:09 PM by AnotherDuck

It sounds like a subtrope (er, sub-trivia-item?) of Word of God, so yes I agree that it should also be trivia.

edited 25th May '18 8:28:01 PM by wingedcatgirl

I put Baby Name Trend Starter under Trivia just like Pet Fad Starter and The Red Stapler.

The Trivia 6 crowner should get a more indicative description. "What would be the best way to fix the page?" just doesn't cut it.

I have some issues with reference tropes like Actor Allusion, Alice Allusion, Shout-Out. They do appear in the work but need out-of-work knowledge to be recognized. What's the rational behind keeping these as work tropes compared to similar Trivia tropes like Casting Gag or Actor-Shared Background.

They're tropes. They appear in the work. It's a deliberate reference for the audience.

Pretty much everything requires some degree of outside knowledge. It's just a matter of scale. Some knowledge is about pop culture. Some about history. Some about physics. Some about language.

It's just the default description for this type of crowner. I think it might even be uneditable?

Was Fake Shemp brought up before? Unless the production crew did a really bad job of hiding it, it looks like another one of those things that requires behind the scenes knowledge.

Would Not So Cheap Imitation qualify as trivia?