Insignificant, I think we should wait till more than 4 people have voted on things. Putting this crowner on crowners in need of votes.
Keeper of The Celestial FlameThe Other Darrin seems to be part trope, part trivia. "Character is played by two different actor, and not for in-universe reasons" is trivia. "The change of actor for a given character is addressed somehow, although not in-universe - e.g., by a voiceover announcement" is a trope, since it's noticeable in the work.
Either way, it's noticeable as long as the character isn't masked. A character going from a tall blond man to a short brunette part way through the series is going to get noticed. The trope is that you can see it just watching the show.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickI think we should remove Follow the Leader from the Trivia now, it's gone down heavily on the crowner.
edited 12th Oct '11 11:59:45 PM by MangaManiac
I'm adding Reciprocal Fiction Paradox to the crowner. It relies on things inside works but they have to be in separate works and the overall effect is meta and exists outside of the work.
Seems trivia-y to me, albeit interesting trivia. Am I the only one who doesn't see it as a paradox?
Basically getting anything done in Trope Repair Shop or Special Efforts takes a lot of patience. If you don't have it, you'll get it.
"In the land of the insecure, the one-balled man is king." - HavenAdding The Wiki Rule to the crowner. Given that more than half of them are made by fans and don't actually take place inside the work.
Reciprocal Fiction Paradox has no wicks, so...meh. Sure, why not.
I was thinking The Wiki Rule might be an Audience Reaction, but then I thought, the wiki is a work too, right? So, I dunno. I guess.
edited 13th Oct '11 5:18:19 PM by troacctid
Added Ficdom. At the very least, it really shouldn't be YMMV because there's absolutely nothing objective to it.
I'm thinking most Fandom related pages should be added, such as Broken Base, Fandom Rivalry, and Friendly Fandom, as none of them have anything to do with the particular work, just the people who watch it/read it/whatever.
Well, if that's your reasoning, wouldn't all Audience Reactions be trivia?
Whatever The Wiki Rule is, Rule34 is also that.
I don't count them as trivia because the work in question is the wiki (or the porn in Rule 34's case) and this rule is not trivia about that work. It's a description of a trend across fandoms or creators. It just doesn't fit into the description of trivia. It's Laws and Formulas.
I don't count them as trivia because the work in question is the wiki (or the porn in Rule 34's case) and this rule is not trivia about that work. It's a description of a trend across fandoms or creators. It just doesn't fit into the description of trivia. It's Laws and Formulas.
Some thoughts about the current crop:
- The Tyson Zone looks like a YMMV/audience reaction to me. So does Big Name Fan, though that one's more borderline (since "did something well-known" is closer to being an objective fact than "does lots of weird shit").
- Couple Bomb is all about critical reception, which is another audience-reaction concept. There may be room for a trivial parent to both Couple Bomb and Creator Couples, or that may just want to be lumped in with Creator Couples itself.
- Capcom Sequel Stagnation is a legitimate trope. There are these sequels, which are works, and they're all near-clones of each other.
I'd be fine with listing The Wiki Rule as trivia unless we start getting bunches of pages that are specifically about wikis, sort of the way Shipping is YMMV for works, but can be a legit trope for fanfic.
edited 14th Oct '11 9:28:48 AM by Micah
132 is the rudest number.
Capcom Sequel Stagnation is outside the original work and outside the new work. It is impossible note their similarity looking to either without look to the other.
edited 14th Oct '11 10:54:45 AM by MagBas
Wait, wouldn't it be inside both, but outside as well? Shit, this thread got all philosophical.
edited 14th Oct '11 10:58:39 AM by BooleanEarth
"In the land of the insecure, the one-balled man is king." - Haven![]()
I disagree that tropes about sequels are inherently Trivia.
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I agree on The Tyson Zone; it feels pretty YMMV. And I also agree that Couple Bomb being YMMV (with a clear quality judgement of a work required) should disqualify it from being Trivia.
edited 14th Oct '11 11:02:27 AM by troacctid
Added Portmanteau Couple Name. Nothing subjective about it, but certainly trivia.
You know, I'm seeing a trend here. It seems like no one's really sure what to do with fandom tropes. I think that maybe merits its own discussion.
"In the land of the insecure, the one-balled man is king." - HavenI think it makes sense to mark those YMMV articles that don't really demand a judgment call (such as Animation Age Ghetto) as Trivia instead. As I understand it, the idea has been to keep them off Main pages, since they have a tendency to attract natter, and aren't Tropes anyway. This way, they stay out of Main, but things get a little bit more intuitive.
Crown Description:
The Trivia category is for narrative conventions that cannot be determined from the final product itself. These are details of production and behind-the-scenes events that influenced the end result of the product. This crowner is used in conjunction with this thread

edited 11th Oct '11 8:08:03 PM by Insignificant