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Insignificant Since: Dec, 1969
#551: Oct 11th 2011 at 8:07:35 PM

[up]It was at 4-0 when I called it. Someone voted it down after I called it and struck it out.

edited 11th Oct '11 8:08:03 PM by Insignificant

TheOneWhoTropes Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty from Newton-le-willows, quaint town Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#552: Oct 12th 2011 at 2:39:56 AM

Insignificant, I think we should wait till more than 4 people have voted on things. Putting this crowner on crowners in need of votes.

Keeper of The Celestial Flame
Antheia Whatever of Breath (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Whatever of Breath
#553: Oct 12th 2011 at 2:13:24 PM

The Other Darrin seems to be part trope, part trivia. "Character is played by two different actor, and not for in-universe reasons" is trivia. "The change of actor for a given character is addressed somehow, although not in-universe - e.g., by a voiceover announcement" is a trope, since it's noticeable in the work.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#554: Oct 12th 2011 at 2:19:58 PM

Either way, it's noticeable as long as the character isn't masked. A character going from a tall blond man to a short brunette part way through the series is going to get noticed. The trope is that you can see it just watching the show.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
MangaManiac Since: Aug, 2010
#555: Oct 12th 2011 at 11:59:30 PM

I think we should remove Follow the Leader from the Trivia now, it's gone down heavily on the crowner.

edited 12th Oct '11 11:59:45 PM by MangaManiac

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#556: Oct 13th 2011 at 3:23:19 AM

I'm adding Reciprocal Fiction Paradox to the crowner. It relies on things inside works but they have to be in separate works and the overall effect is meta and exists outside of the work.

BooleanEarth And a happy new year. from Banned Land Since: Jul, 2011
And a happy new year.
#557: Oct 13th 2011 at 3:45:46 AM

[up]Seems trivia-y to me, albeit interesting trivia. Am I the only one who doesn't see it as a paradox?

"In the land of the insecure, the one-balled man is king." - Haven
MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#559: Oct 13th 2011 at 7:37:30 AM

Don't add things until they've got at least +10 and at good ratio. We can be patient.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
BooleanEarth And a happy new year. from Banned Land Since: Jul, 2011
And a happy new year.
#560: Oct 13th 2011 at 7:45:15 AM

Basically getting anything done in Trope Repair Shop or Special Efforts takes a lot of patience. If you don't have it, you'll get it.

"In the land of the insecure, the one-balled man is king." - Haven
MangaManiac Since: Aug, 2010
#561: Oct 13th 2011 at 10:17:27 AM

Adding The Wiki Rule to the crowner. Given that more than half of them are made by fans and don't actually take place inside the work.

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#562: Oct 13th 2011 at 5:16:47 PM

Reciprocal Fiction Paradox has no wicks, so...meh. Sure, why not.

I was thinking The Wiki Rule might be an Audience Reaction, but then I thought, the wiki is a work too, right? So, I dunno. I guess.

edited 13th Oct '11 5:18:19 PM by troacctid

Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#563: Oct 13th 2011 at 11:55:14 PM

Added Ficdom. At the very least, it really shouldn't be YMMV because there's absolutely nothing objective to it.

almightyblue Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#564: Oct 14th 2011 at 12:40:59 AM

I'm thinking most Fandom related pages should be added, such as Broken Base, Fandom Rivalry, and Friendly Fandom, as none of them have anything to do with the particular work, just the people who watch it/read it/whatever.

BooleanEarth And a happy new year. from Banned Land Since: Jul, 2011
And a happy new year.
#565: Oct 14th 2011 at 12:49:01 AM

[up]Well, if that's your reasoning, wouldn't all Audience Reactions be trivia?

"In the land of the insecure, the one-balled man is king." - Haven
SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#566: Oct 14th 2011 at 2:48:34 AM

Whatever The Wiki Rule is, Rule34 is also that.

I don't count them as trivia because the work in question is the wiki (or the porn in Rule 34's case) and this rule is not trivia about that work. It's a description of a trend across fandoms or creators. It just doesn't fit into the description of trivia. It's Laws and Formulas.

MangaManiac Since: Aug, 2010
#567: Oct 14th 2011 at 7:48:27 AM

I was thinking The Wiki Rule might be an Audience Reaction, but then I thought, the wiki is a work too, right? So, I dunno. I guess.
It's not really a subjective thing like the other Audience Reactions. With something like The Scrappy or Germans Love David Hasselhoff, it's all about how popular something is, while with The Wiki Rule it's more like "look, there's a wiki over there", a completely objective thing.

Whatever The Wiki Rule is, Rule34 is also that.

I don't count them as trivia because the work in question is the wiki (or the porn in Rule 34's case) and this rule is not trivia about that work. It's a description of a trend across fandoms or creators. It just doesn't fit into the description of trivia. It's Laws and Formulas.

Well, at any rate it shouldn't be listed as a trope on the work's main page.

Micah from traveling the post-doc circuit Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#568: Oct 14th 2011 at 9:27:05 AM

Some thoughts about the current crop:

  • The Tyson Zone looks like a YMMV/audience reaction to me. So does Big Name Fan, though that one's more borderline (since "did something well-known" is closer to being an objective fact than "does lots of weird shit").
  • Couple Bomb is all about critical reception, which is another audience-reaction concept. There may be room for a trivial parent to both Couple Bomb and Creator Couples, or that may just want to be lumped in with Creator Couples itself.
  • Capcom Sequel Stagnation is a legitimate trope. There are these sequels, which are works, and they're all near-clones of each other.

I'd be fine with listing The Wiki Rule as trivia unless we start getting bunches of pages that are specifically about wikis, sort of the way Shipping is YMMV for works, but can be a legit trope for fanfic.

edited 14th Oct '11 9:28:48 AM by Micah

132 is the rudest number.
MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#569: Oct 14th 2011 at 10:52:20 AM

[up]Capcom Sequel Stagnation is outside the original work and outside the new work. It is impossible note their similarity looking to either without look to the other.

edited 14th Oct '11 10:54:45 AM by MagBas

BooleanEarth And a happy new year. from Banned Land Since: Jul, 2011
And a happy new year.
#570: Oct 14th 2011 at 10:58:15 AM

[up]Wait, wouldn't it be inside both, but outside as well? Shit, this thread got all philosophical.

edited 14th Oct '11 10:58:39 AM by BooleanEarth

"In the land of the insecure, the one-balled man is king." - Haven
troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#571: Oct 14th 2011 at 11:00:50 AM

[up][up] I disagree that tropes about sequels are inherently Trivia.

[up][up][up] I agree on The Tyson Zone; it feels pretty YMMV. And I also agree that Couple Bomb being YMMV (with a clear quality judgement of a work required) should disqualify it from being Trivia.

edited 14th Oct '11 11:02:27 AM by troacctid

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Whatever of Breath
#572: Oct 14th 2011 at 11:18:17 AM

[up] It could be reworked into "Films with a couple in the cast (or whatever) rarely succeed", though, although I'm not sure how many examples there'd be left.

Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#573: Oct 14th 2011 at 11:25:01 AM

Added Portmanteau Couple Name. Nothing subjective about it, but certainly trivia.

BooleanEarth And a happy new year. from Banned Land Since: Jul, 2011
And a happy new year.
#574: Oct 14th 2011 at 11:26:31 AM

You know, I'm seeing a trend here. It seems like no one's really sure what to do with fandom tropes. I think that maybe merits its own discussion.

"In the land of the insecure, the one-balled man is king." - Haven
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Whatever of Breath
#575: Oct 14th 2011 at 11:26:52 AM

I think it makes sense to mark those YMMV articles that don't really demand a judgment call (such as Animation Age Ghetto) as Trivia instead. As I understand it, the idea has been to keep them off Main pages, since they have a tendency to attract natter, and aren't Tropes anyway. This way, they stay out of Main, but things get a little bit more intuitive.

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The Trivia category is for narrative conventions that cannot be determined from the final product itself. These are details of production and behind-the-scenes events that influenced the end result of the product.

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