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Antheia Whatever of Breath (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Whatever of Breath
#527: Oct 3rd 2011 at 4:30:00 PM

[up]I think so. They've been up for some time now, and I doubt they'll suddenly get a lot of nay votes.

Added Life Imitates Art.

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#528: Oct 3rd 2011 at 6:05:08 PM

I see Accidental Pun on there. Not sure how that's Trivia. Downvoting it. Ooh, and Retroactive Recognition's gotta go down too—that's clearly an Audience Reaction.

Hmm...should we put Trope Namer on there? It does seem pretty trivial.

edited 3rd Oct '11 6:15:38 PM by troacctid

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Antheia Whatever of Breath (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Whatever of Breath
#530: Oct 4th 2011 at 5:34:17 AM

[up]Yes, it's either this or an actual, well, trope (Fanfic Trope). It can be hard to tell with some fan phenomena.

MangaManiac Since: Aug, 2010
#531: Oct 4th 2011 at 8:20:53 AM

I suppose that depends on whether the thread/etc. itself can be taken as some sort of strange work.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#532: Oct 4th 2011 at 8:24:15 AM

Kink Meme seems to be something a genre reading the description. Not one that really exists on it's own, but sort of a fanfic subgenre.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
MangaManiac Since: Aug, 2010
#533: Oct 8th 2011 at 2:02:15 AM

Calling The Red Stapler, and adding Creator Couple to crowner.

Downvoting Names To Know In Anime because it sounds more like Useful Notes than anything that should go on a Trivia page.

djbj Since: Oct, 2010
#534: Oct 8th 2011 at 9:08:07 AM

I don't see how The Other Darrin and Dawson Casting are trivia. Both of those are intentionally used by the work's creators, can be seen within the work and affect how the viewer sees the work. They're too important to be trivia.

MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#535: Oct 8th 2011 at 9:17:02 AM

[up]Both are related to the casting, not to the canon. The age of an actor and their identity are "out-of-universe".

edited 8th Oct '11 9:17:46 AM by MagBas

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#536: Oct 8th 2011 at 9:23:03 AM

The Other Darrin though is a sudden change of actor in the middle of the show. It doesn't fit the criteria we set down for Trivia when we started this of "Things that you wouldn't know about the show just from watching it. Replacing one of the main characters without a word is something you notice just from watching it.

Looking up actors ages on the other hand, not so much.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
MangaManiac Since: Aug, 2010
#537: Oct 8th 2011 at 10:00:27 AM

Calling You Might Remember Me from....

In my opinion, if the main page is tropes, YMMV is subjectives and audience reactions, then Trivia should be anything else. I suppose you could say that changing the actor half-way is a trope, in a broader sense.

edited 8th Oct '11 10:01:00 AM by MangaManiac

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#538: Oct 8th 2011 at 10:39:41 AM

I'd say The Other Darrin is a trope because it makes an easy to see tangible effect on the media. Just like Hide Your Pregnancy. Yes, it's a real life things effecting the media, but there are a couple of those that are tropes if they have a noticeable effect on the media itself.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#539: Oct 9th 2011 at 5:55:51 AM

I put Follow the Leader today in the trivia page thanks their 5-to-1 votes and i guess it is funny compare their votes with Expy's .

edited 9th Oct '11 5:56:07 AM by MagBas

djbj Since: Oct, 2010
#540: Oct 9th 2011 at 10:42:26 AM

[up][up][up][up] Dawson Casting is frequently noticeable on-screen, especially if you have a good sense of what actual high schoolers look like. In a lot of cases you don't have to look up the ages of the actors to know that they're not actually teenagers.

BooleanEarth And a happy new year. from Banned Land Since: Jul, 2011
And a happy new year.
#541: Oct 9th 2011 at 10:12:18 PM

I had edited the page for Contagion to add an Artistic License – Statistics/Writers Cannot Do Math entry and another troper removed it. After receiving no response when asking why, I put it back, but they removed it again and insisted I move it to Trivia and provide specific examples. The specific examples bit I can understand (I didn't include them originally because I don't have a copy of the script and couldn't remember the exact numbers), but I was not aware of whether the Artistic License tropes are considered trivia. As of the moment, the aforementioned Contagion page contains an Artistic License – Biology entry but not my statistics entry, so either I need to talk to the other troper (so I can add mine back without starting an edit war) or remove both. The trope pages themselves say they don't belong on the main pages at all due to Your Mileage May Vary (although in this case it was objective, plus interestingly Writers Cannot Do Math has no such warning, which doesn't make sense to me), but doesn't say whether they do belong on trivia. Where do those tropes stand at the moment?

edited 9th Oct '11 10:18:36 PM by BooleanEarth

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#542: Oct 9th 2011 at 10:33:34 PM

They're not. They're considered YMMV. I wouldn't complain to moving them to Trivia though.

Fight smart, not fair.
BooleanEarth And a happy new year. from Banned Land Since: Jul, 2011
And a happy new year.
#543: Oct 9th 2011 at 10:47:19 PM

Hmm...ok. I'll move the Contagion entries to its YMMV tab, but I'll add the tropes to the crowner to see what the troper base thinks about making them trivia.

"In the land of the insecure, the one-balled man is king." - Haven
troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#544: Oct 9th 2011 at 11:35:42 PM

Okay, so let's talk about some more of these.

  • Role-Ending Misdemeanor: I think this fits in well with the stuff we already have classified as Trivia and I'm voting it up. In general, I think casting decisions are a great example of things that should go in the Trivia bin.
  • Dawson Casting: I can see the argument on the other side for this one, since it's often very visible within the work. I'm still inclined to upvote it, though, because it just intuitively feels like it's a factoid about the actors rather than something that affects our consumption of the work directly.
  • Life Imitates Art: On the one hand, if this is done on purpose, it feels more like an Audience Reaction to me. On the other hand, if it happens by coincidence, it feels more like Trivia. Before I decide on this one, I think it would make sense to go through the examples a little and see which case is more common.
  • Follow the Leader: May have been jumping the gun to add this one so soon, as it's currently only at +3. I'm not sure how I feel about it—my gut feeling is that for the work being copied, it's Trivia, but for the work doing the copying, it's an objective Trope. This is another one where I'd like to survey the examples a little to see what's up.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#545: Oct 9th 2011 at 11:44:02 PM

Now, if it's in work (someone points out some is not doing it right, within the work), then it's invoked, in which case it's okay.

Fight smart, not fair.
Antheia Whatever of Breath (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Whatever of Breath
#547: Oct 10th 2011 at 3:01:12 PM

The way Life Imitates Art is defined, it doesn't matter if the imitation is on purpose or not. It's a bit like The Red Stapler, except that rather than demand, it causes inspiration for something.

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#550: Oct 11th 2011 at 8:04:39 PM

[up] What? It's only at 4-1. Give it more votes first.

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The Trivia category is for narrative conventions that cannot be determined from the final product itself. These are details of production and behind-the-scenes events that influenced the end result of the product.

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