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KrisMahai Hm? Since: Jan, 2013
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#226: Jan 29th 2011 at 8:02:16 AM

Yeah, I'm a bit confused as to why Shout-Out's so low. I voted it up, at least.

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#227: Jan 29th 2011 at 8:09:04 AM

Actually, I was thinking the opposite. Shout-Out and Actor Allusion is something that the creators put in the work intentionally for fans to notice. Same with Ascended Meme.

edited 29th Jan '11 8:09:52 AM by Killomatic

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KrisMahai Hm? Since: Jan, 2013
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#228: Jan 29th 2011 at 9:21:24 AM

The problem with Shout-Out is that people mark even slight similarities to other works as Shout Outs, resulting in ridiculously long lists of shout outs that aren't really shout outs. I suppose this could be dealt with with a massive cleanup of examples, but people adding examples like that happens ridiculously often.

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#229: Jan 29th 2011 at 9:30:32 AM

We already discussed this a hundred posts back. If the choice is between turning it into Trivia or cleaning the examples, I'd prefer the latter. We just need to assemble enough backing to push it through in Trope Repair.

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#230: Jan 29th 2011 at 9:57:18 AM

There are a lot of people who were very upset about the idea of chopping their pages and pages of lovingly collected "Shout Outs" to just a list of the few things that actually counted.

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#231: Jan 29th 2011 at 10:04:54 AM

They'll live. Gotta make sacrifices for what you love, right? I'm pretty sure we can get mod backing on this if we need to.

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#232: Jan 29th 2011 at 10:16:10 AM

Fine, but you get to be the one to tell the Negima fans that 90% of their multi-page list doesn't count.

edited 29th Jan '11 10:16:25 AM by shimaspawn

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#233: Jan 29th 2011 at 10:39:58 AM

Where's a sweatdrop icon when you need one?

Anyway, just noticed something. Some tropes have trivia pages for historical notes and or listing trope namers. Mostly one-line stuff. What are we supposed to do with those?

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KrisMahai Hm? Since: Jan, 2013
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#234: Jan 29th 2011 at 10:47:11 AM

Keep them there, probably. Just because they're not trope listings doesn't mean they're not trivia.

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#235: Jan 29th 2011 at 10:50:50 AM

But most tropes that were named after something in fiction have such notes. Either they should all be in Trivia or none of them.

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suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
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#236: Jan 29th 2011 at 11:04:03 AM

My basic rationale is that Shout-Out is a perfectly fine main page trope when used correctly, and that misuse shouldn't define the trope.

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#237: Jan 29th 2011 at 11:14:21 AM

My thoughts exactly, but what makes Actor Allusion and Ascended Meme different to put them so high on the list?

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#238: Jan 29th 2011 at 11:21:48 AM

[up][up][up] I think there's only so much consistency we can hope to impose on the wiki. Such things are fairly trivial, so it makes sense to put them in the trivia tab; at the same time, they may fit nicely into a trope's main description, in which case there's no need to move them.

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#239: Jan 29th 2011 at 11:28:48 AM

I don't think there's that many tropes with a Trivia page yet. Once we start putting actual examples in the namespace, people will probably stop doing that altogether and those pages will look like some artefact, which I don't like.

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#240: Jan 29th 2011 at 11:50:19 AM

Actually, I've seen at least one other trivia page so far that was split between tropes and misc trivia that wasn't tropes. We can add a bit in the Trivia page deccriptor that those sort of things are fine there the same way the main page gets to have it's own description.

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#241: Jan 29th 2011 at 12:08:48 PM

Okay, but I still wouldn't consider the origin of a trope's name Trivia.

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#242: Jan 29th 2011 at 12:15:44 PM

It depends on how long the description is and how far it veers away from the trope description. It's a bit of data that is incidental to what we're actually doing. That's Trivia.

edited 29th Jan '11 12:16:15 PM by shimaspawn

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#243: Jan 29th 2011 at 12:24:56 PM

According to the Trope Entry Template "A sentence identifying the source of the trope name is optional, but appreciated." A single sentence shouldn't warrant an entire sub page. I'd like some confirmation on this before we're done here.

edited 29th Jan '11 12:25:16 PM by Killomatic

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#244: Jan 29th 2011 at 12:29:07 PM

A single sentence should be on the main page. A paragraph would be better on Trivia.

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#245: Jan 29th 2011 at 12:45:26 PM

I don't see that the Trope Namer is trivia. Or, more pertinently, that the Trivia namespace applies to tropes as opposed to works. Do we do Analysis of tropes? Shout Outs?

edited 29th Jan '11 12:45:58 PM by Fighteer

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#246: Jan 29th 2011 at 12:57:59 PM

I'd move any "this series is the Trope Namer for the following tropes" to trivia.

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#247: Jan 29th 2011 at 1:01:08 PM

Why? What harm does it do in the main article?

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#248: Jan 29th 2011 at 1:05:38 PM

It doesn't do any harm but it feels more like something that would be in trivia since it's not work related.

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#249: Jan 29th 2011 at 1:10:55 PM

That's not good enough for me. I think we should run a crowner for this to get a wider sample of opinions.

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#250: Jan 29th 2011 at 3:50:36 PM

[up]x10 Yeah the Negima Trivia page was that way and since we were doing this we moved all that stuff to an "info" page >< now we can move them back?

Anyways I dont mind if Shout-Out s are moved to the Trivia section Those with its own namespace you just give a line linking that page. The one page that might have a problem is the Lucky Star Trivia page it has the shoutouts divided by ep and is absurdly long (The series is built on these) and very lovingly crafted.

edited 29th Jan '11 3:53:25 PM by Raso

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Crown Description:

The Trivia category is for narrative conventions that cannot be determined from the final product itself. These are details of production and behind-the-scenes events that influenced the end result of the product.

This crowner is used in conjunction with this thread. Please post in the thread before adding tropes to this list.

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