Actually, I was thinking the opposite. Shout-Out and Actor Allusion is something that the creators put in the work intentionally for fans to notice. Same with Ascended Meme.
edited 29th Jan '11 8:09:52 AM by Killomatic
Regulated fun - the best kind! I don't make the rules, just enforce them with an iron fist.The problem with Shout-Out is that people mark even slight similarities to other works as Shout Outs, resulting in ridiculously long lists of shout outs that aren't really shout outs. I suppose this could be dealt with with a massive cleanup of examples, but people adding examples like that happens ridiculously often.
“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”We already discussed this a hundred posts back. If the choice is between turning it into Trivia or cleaning the examples, I'd prefer the latter. We just need to assemble enough backing to push it through in Trope Repair.
Regulated fun - the best kind! I don't make the rules, just enforce them with an iron fist.Fine, but you get to be the one to tell the Negima fans that 90% of their multi-page list doesn't count.
edited 29th Jan '11 10:16:25 AM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickWhere's a sweatdrop icon when you need one?
Anyway, just noticed something. Some tropes have trivia pages for historical notes and or listing trope namers. Mostly one-line stuff. What are we supposed to do with those?
Regulated fun - the best kind! I don't make the rules, just enforce them with an iron fist.My basic rationale is that Shout-Out is a perfectly fine main page trope when used correctly, and that misuse shouldn't define the trope.
Jet-a-Reeno!My thoughts exactly, but what makes Actor Allusion and Ascended Meme different to put them so high on the list?
Regulated fun - the best kind! I don't make the rules, just enforce them with an iron fist.I don't think there's that many tropes with a Trivia page yet. Once we start putting actual examples in the namespace, people will probably stop doing that altogether and those pages will look like some artefact, which I don't like.
Regulated fun - the best kind! I don't make the rules, just enforce them with an iron fist.Actually, I've seen at least one other trivia page so far that was split between tropes and misc trivia that wasn't tropes. We can add a bit in the Trivia page deccriptor that those sort of things are fine there the same way the main page gets to have it's own description.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickIt depends on how long the description is and how far it veers away from the trope description. It's a bit of data that is incidental to what we're actually doing. That's Trivia.
edited 29th Jan '11 12:16:15 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickAccording to the Trope Entry Template "A sentence identifying the source of the trope name is optional, but appreciated." A single sentence shouldn't warrant an entire sub page. I'd like some confirmation on this before we're done here.
edited 29th Jan '11 12:25:16 PM by Killomatic
Regulated fun - the best kind! I don't make the rules, just enforce them with an iron fist.I don't see that the Trope Namer is trivia. Or, more pertinently, that the Trivia namespace applies to tropes as opposed to works. Do we do Analysis of tropes? Shout Outs?
edited 29th Jan '11 12:45:58 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I'd move any "this series is the Trope Namer for the following tropes" to trivia.
Fight smart, not fair.It doesn't do any harm but it feels more like something that would be in trivia since it's not work related.
Fight smart, not fair.
x10 Yeah the Negima Trivia page was that way and since we were doing this we moved all that stuff to an "info" page >< now we can move them back?
Anyways I dont mind if Shout-Out s are moved to the Trivia section Those with its own namespace you just give a line linking that page. The one page that might have a problem is the Lucky Star Trivia page it has the shoutouts divided by ep and is absurdly long (The series is built on these) and very lovingly crafted.
edited 29th Jan '11 3:53:25 PM by Raso
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Crown Description:
The Trivia category is for narrative conventions that cannot be determined from the final product itself. These are details of production and behind-the-scenes events that influenced the end result of the product. This crowner is used in conjunction with this thread

Yeah, I'm a bit confused as to why Shout-Out's so low. I voted it up, at least.
“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”