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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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#247876: Feb 15th 2021 at 11:39:00 AM

I gotta say the only time an "intro" paragraph really works (and god is it bound to be ugly regardless) is if it's like Michael Myers and there's an entire film of crimes to go through before you get to the timeline splits. Honestly he's the sole example I can think of for precedent.

[down] yeah but there's look "cleaner" with the whole "Series wide" heading followed by folders containing their other iterations.

Edited by 43110 on Feb 15th 2021 at 2:42:14 PM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#247877: Feb 15th 2021 at 11:39:37 AM

Oh, for Klaus, I guess the Evil Doppelgänger goes after Krampus?

[up] Well, we have—kinda—Palpatine and Tarkin.

Edited by ACW on Feb 15th 2021 at 2:40:18 PM

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futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#247878: Feb 15th 2021 at 11:50:33 AM

The Doppelgänger go under Film - Animation or Western Animation?

Based on the original entry and new EP, [tup] to the Kurgan.

Also, still funny that I accidentally put Gage here at first instead of over at MB. At least I didn’t accidentally post the Blissfield Butcher from Freaky over there though. Haha.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 15th 2021 at 11:51:08 AM

VeryVileVillian (Apprentice)
#247879: Feb 15th 2021 at 11:59:50 AM

Support Medusa's tree rewrite.

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#247881: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:05:17 PM

[up]I thought this was the animated Klaus Netflix movie?

For MB, Klaus from Klaus went under animated movies.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#247882: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:10:24 PM

[up]Honestly when that film was announced, I thought it was going to be based on the comic book. Names The Same I guess

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#247883: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:10:38 PM

It's not that one, Future. It's a comic by Grant Morrison, no relation to the fil. ACW, yep. Krampus is from the original

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
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#247885: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:18:12 PM

Ye to Jagi and Perpetua. Would this have any effect on the Anti-Monitor's agency since she pushed him to commit his crimes or is he good?

Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#247886: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:19:37 PM

Given DC's wacky continuity, I'm personally tempted to just disregard it.

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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#247887: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:24:30 PM

Part of me thinks we'll have readily available time travel before we manage to straighten out DC continuity.

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#247888: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:27:10 PM

[up]Mandela Effect. What you thought was true before actually wasn’t. It’s quite the Mind Screw.

@Lighty My bad.

Trashman91 Since: Oct, 2018
#247889: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:27:44 PM

Trogen is listed on the YMMV page but not on the Monster.Fan Works page, will he be submitted? I ask just because I don't see him in the Drafts either.

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#247890: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:28:06 PM

DC actually stated they planned to go with a Broad Strokes approach to continuity In the future apparently after this.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#247893: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:32:23 PM

BTW, for Medusa, I changed it to "Medusa is vile in both the original manga and its anime adaptation"

Otherwise it'd be too similar to the main header.

Also:

  • Forsaken: Reginald Birch, posing as a friend to Edward Kenway, is in truth Grandmaster of the British Templar Order. Birch has Edward Kenway murdered, before selling off Edward's daughter, Jennifer, as a Sex Slave to Turkish slavers, and molding Edward's son, Haytham, into becoming his own Professional Killer who he has kill many people on his behalf. When Haytham learns of Birch's involvement in his father's murder and rescues Jennifer from him, Birch tries to have Haytham and Jennifer killed. While trying to pass himself off as well-intentioned, Haytham rightfully see through him as a self-deluded madman only using the Templars to claim more power for himself.
  • Forsaken & Assassin's Creed III: General Edward Braddock, aka "The Bulldog", is a Templar who helped Reginald Birch cover up the Kenway mansion raid. Allying himself with Haytham Kenway during the siege of Bergen op Zoom, Haytham showed disgust when Braddock has a family killed all because a father called him craven. During the Seven Years' War, Braddock oversees the annihilation of countless Native American tribes and French camps, and ignores an offering of truce before ordering his men to slaughter them. He would later leave his men to die while trying to escape an ambush led by Haytham.
  • Silent Option (IDW, written by Larry Hama): Ilsa Bachmann is a vicious, elderly human trafficker who deals primarily in young children. Through her top lieutenants, Ilsa oversees hundreds of kidnapping and trafficking cases for decades, and when Agent Helix begins taking apart her entire operation, Ilsa captures her and tries to force her own team to kill her lest all of them die from a bomb. Ilsa then decides to pay Helix back for her meddling by attempting to murder the woman's foster parents, and is revealed by Firefly to have had an entire group of trafficked children eliminated to silence them, at which point Ilsa betrays and tries to murder Firefly for exposing said information.
  • Inuyasha: Secret of the Divine Jewel: Gorai is a half-demon lord who hopes to harness the power of the god Datara. Staging an attack on Datara's village and wedding to slaughter the populace, Gorai uses Datara's baby as a hostage to force him to don the Demon Mask and put himself under Gorai's control. When Datara's fiancée, Tsugumi, is forced to seal Datara away and kill their infant to protect them from Gorai, Gorai responds by enslaving Tsugumi to his will for centuries. After turning dozens of villagers into soulless husks for slave labor, Gorai orchestrates Datara's reawakening and immediately massacres several villages, planning to ascend to godhood and Take Over the World in bloody conflict.
  • "The Infant", Naraku's seventh incarnation, is a sociopathic manipulator who contrasts his harmless, defenseless appearance with a truly heinous personality. Immediately after his creation, the Infant takes control of a lady in royalty and begins a mass execution of innocents in an attempt to draw out heroine Kagome Higurashi for the Infant to possess. The Infant goes on to kill a variety of priests and backs Hakudōshi's vile butchering and experiments on demons, before utilizing his fabricated "Moryomaru" armor to slaughter and absorb hundreds of demons for his own power. Unleashing demons upon innocents and empowering bandits to raze entire villages, the Infant goes so far as to nearly murder Koga's young friends in front of him, all to prepare himself to betray Naraku and assume his power as his own. The Infant also shrugs off the death of his other half Hakudōshi, mocks Kagura's murder in front of her friends, and even abandons his living armor Moryomaru with no remorse, assuring all that he would have been a worthy successor to Naraku's villainy.
  • Hakudōshi himself, Naraku's incarnation born of a split from the Infant, matches his other half in being the most like his father in cruelty and sadism. Murdering multiple demons to examine their minds for the secrets of the netherworld while allying with Princess Abi to oversee the mass blood-draining of countless villagers, Hakudōshi eventually unleashes swarms of demon rats to devour entire villages to lure out Kikyo and plans to unleash them all over Japan should she not give herself up, bragging that he shall repeat similar schemes and endanger even more lives while showing sadistic glee in the almost unparalleled amounts of bloodshed caused. Later murdering demons for experiments to create Moryomaru for the Infant—callously leaving his failed experiments to run rampant on villages—Hakudōshi also viciously abuses Kagura, forcing her to risk her life in his name and using her as a human shield. Hakudōshi even plans to backstab Naraku alongside the Infant, with no loyalty to anyone or anything but himself.
  • Hollow Fragment: "Hollow PoH" is a uniquely self-aware Hollow that shares the memories and personality of the infamous Serial Killer. Enjoying the constant violence of the Hollow Area and killing other Hollows, PoH stalks Kirito and Philia—SAO players who were trapped in the Hollow Area—and realizes that the Cardinal System considers him to be a potential Administrator. Knowing that Kirito would finish SAO after returning to the main game, PoH manipulates Philia by exploiting her fears. Then, PoH uses Philia to lure Kirito into a deadly trap after convincing her that it would merely incapacitate him. When Philia returns, PoH laughs at Kirito's apparent death and Philia's shock before beating her and revealing his goal to fuse the Hollow Area and Aincrad, creating a chaos that PoH would use to murder both Hollows and the Aincrad survivors at large scale, creating eternal carnage that he considers to be a paradise, uncaring—if not cheerful—that this would lead to the death of all Aincrad survivors.
  • "Sanguinarium": Dr. Clifford Cox, alias Dr. Jack Franklyn, is a demonic doctor and a narcissistic warlock who, so that he can retain his youth and looks, takes over the minds of various surgeons and has them kill patients in horrific ways, such as draining a patient's blood via liposuction; nearly cutting a patient's head off with a laser; and melting a patient's face off. A nurse, Rebecca Waite, knows of Dr. Cox's true nature and goes to his home to kill him, but Dr. Cox's magically fills her with pins and nails, resulting in her death. At the end, Dr. Cox gets a new job using the alias Dr. Hartman.
  • Android Kikaider: The Animation: Saburo/Hakaider, lacking any of the redeeming qualities of his original counterpart, is instead concerned solely with fighting his "brother" Kikaider and having fun while doing so. Created by Dr. Komyoji and repurposed by Professor Gill, Saburo's introduction sees him murdering a fellow android who showed mercy to Jiro and Mitsuko. He later takes control of Jiro and forces him to commit a series of obscene acts to break him so he'll show his true power, starting with stopping Jiro from saving Mitsuko's mother from committing suicide. Saburo then forces Jiro go on a rampage through the city, killing a police officer in the process. When all that doesn't work, Saburo makes Jiro strangle Mitsuko. When Jiro defeats Saburo but refuses to kill him, Saburo attempts to shoot Dr. Komyoji's brain out of spite.
  • Babylon: Ai Magase is a wicked temptress and the biblical Whore of Babylon. Using her voice alone to bend her victims to her will, Magase, at age 15, induces several of her male classmates with Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Later hired by Kaiku Itsuki to push the suicide law, Magase kills Shin Inaba when he was conducting research in the "Nyux" drug, and Fumio Atsuhiko when he went to investigate. After driving over sixty people to suicide, Magase dwindles down the number of Zen Seizaki's team, and kidnaps Hiasa Sekuro so she could film her grisly murder to further torment Seizaki. Setting her sights on US President Alexander W. Wood, Magase corrupts his mind in a bid of making him jump off a roof to legitimize the suicide law.
  • Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai: Zaboera is the power-hungry commander of the Mystic Legion who relies on trickery to get what he wants. Zaboera kidnaps Dai's adoptive grandfather Brass and brainwashes him to fight Dai. After putting the heroes to a deep sleep with a gas, Zaboera betrays Hadler after his first defeat. Zaboera used his son Zamza's information following his defeat to successfully transform Hadler into a hyperdemon. While Zaboera was left fighting the heroes, he kills his injured minions and combines their corpses to create the monstrous hyperzombie against the heroes. After being caught by Crocodine, Zaboera later decides to brainwash him using a toxin. A cowardly person who lets others do his dirty work, Zaboera was the most despicable villain in this series.
  • Infinite Dendrogram: Lich Maise and Gladiator Gouz are the leaders of the infamous Gouz-Maise Gang, a gang of bandits who kidnap children to extort their families, sometimes not returning the children even if their families paid the money. In reality, Maise—the brains of the group—uses the children as material to practice his necromancy skills to become the next King of Bones while Gouz—the muscle—mutilates and eats them to satiate his preference for child's meat and make them generate negative emotions for Maise's experiments. When Masters challenge them, Gouz sends his men to their deaths at Hugo's hands before telling Hugo that the duo planned to kill their men themselves before moving to another city, while Ray finds the animated corpses of over 100 children. Deciding that he already fulfilled the conditions to become the King of Bones, Maise tortures Ray and plans to murder the surviving captive children. Even after his death, Maise's experiment would fuse nearly bodies to create an undead monster with the intention to devour everything in its way.
  • Sol Bianca (original OVA): Emperor Batros is the ruler of the planets Trez and Uno who took power via a bloody military coup. As emperor, Batros has resistance sympathizers and his other enemies publicly executed by chopping off their hands and letting them bleed to death in a large stadium for his amusement. Batros also has several women frozen to serve as trophies, and shows off one of them to the woman's son, Rim Delapaz, just to torment the boy. Demanding the pirate heroines hand over the titular ship so he can take over the galaxy, Batros sentences them to execution when they refuse. When they escape and a revolt breaks out in a city on Uno, he sends out his fleet to laser-bomb the city and kill everyone within, later attempting to destroy the entire planet with his Star Cannon and take out the heroines and Rim with it.
  • "Ikiiki i ka la o Keawalua" ("Depressed with the Heat of Kealwalua"): Connor Russell and Roger Barton are members of the United Aryan Division who are aiming for racist violence. The smug Barton, already a murderer, helps to coordinate Russell's racist propaganda to the rest of the Division and assists his plan to bomb the Wailele Community Center. Russell meanwhile brutally kills both a bystander and a cop who were in his way. His ultimate plan is to bomb the community center where hundreds of kids of all races will be present, intending to make "blood from sea to shining sea".
  • Klaus and the Crisis in Xmasville: Klaus's Evil Doppelgänger hails from another place in the multiverse. A sadistic monster who powers his machines with the dreams and imaginations of children, the wicked Klaus kidnaps numerous children to turn them into shells of themselves in collaboration with the Pola Cola corporation. The doppelgänger bargains with the captive children, planning for more to be taken while their families are brainwashed into being soldiers for Pola Cola to start a massacre worldwide to stain the name of Klaus forever. Klaus's Evil Doppelgänger hails from another place in the multiverse. A sadistic monster who powers his machines with the dreams and imaginations of children, the wicked Klaus kidnaps numerous children to turn them into shells of themselves in collaboration with the Pola Cola corporation. The doppelgänger bargains with the captive children, planning for more to be taken while their families are brainwashed into being soldiers for Pola Cola to start a massacre worldwide to stain the name of Klaus forever.
  • Night Moves (IDW):
    • Ashmedai is a demon who consumes souls to make himself more powerful. Previously, Ashmedai had abducted several people and left them catatonic, subsequently having decapitated several "Anti-Davidians" and piled their heads in a heap, leaving them for Chris Dundee and Detective Alexis Rohm to discover. Possessing a local businessman who had captured Dundee, Rohm, and Rohm's partner, Lucretius Jackson, Ashmedai switches to Jackson's body when his host is killed. As "Jackson", Ashmedai builds the Babylon Casino in order to continue consuming souls. When Dundee, Rohm, and a surviving priest venture out to find a dagger that will defeat him, Ashmedai kills the military personnel holding them at gunpoint before interrogating the party about the whereabouts of an artifact, attempting to kill them when the artifact is revealed to be destroyed. Forty years later, using his surviving abductees as disposable manpower, Ashmedai attempts to possess Dundee, but is thwarted due to Dundee poisoning himself.
    • Tom "Tomcat" O'Reily is a Loan Shark who will do anything for his own personal gain. Initially killing an acquaintance of Dundee, Tomcat captures Dundee, Rohm, and Jackson on behalf of a local businessman. Scarred by Dundee in the ensuing altercation, Tomcat disappears, eventually resurfacing as Jackson's security chief. When confronted by Dundee, Tomcat taunts Dundee about his inability to do anything to him, exploiting his new position as a police officer. In the aftermath of Dundee's confrontation with Ashmedai, Tomcat has a lackey kill and replace Ashmedai's previous host, puts Ashmedai's subsequent host into a coma, and begins his takeover of the Vegas mob. To this end, Tomcat has the Babylon Casino incinerated, having any escapees shot, while also attempting to massacre any of Ashmedai's followers. In the final confrontation with Dundee and Rohm, Tomcat tries to have Dundee's face disfigured.
  • What if Freeza Turned Good? (link): Trogen is the third son of King Cold, created after the latter deemed his first two sons to be failures. Proving himself to be an impulsive psychopath, Trogen murders his father in front of Cooler for taking too long to find Freeza. When it's believed that Freeza is on the planet Yardrat, Trogen goes against the plan to land and search for his brother and instead gleefully blows the entire planet up. Taking over his father's mantle, Trogen becomes a cruel and despotic ruler who lets his empire fall to ruins. Learning that Freeza is now on Earth, Trogen attempts to kill Vegeta for outliving his usefulness and chains Cooler up without sustenance. On Earth, he orders his men to kill all of the Z Fighters, but after years of abuse, they refuse. In response, Trogen uses his eye beams to bisect his entire present army, numbering in the thousands. After threatening to blow up Earth if anyone interrupts his fight with Freeza, Trogen taunts his brother over the destruction of Yardrat. A lunatic to the end, Trogen feels elated even at his own death.
  • Heart of Darkness: Doctor Destiny returns years after his original appearances, having developed a God Complex. Wanting revenge against Batman, Doctor Destiny enrages him by influencing Igor Sazuky into killing Gotham's mayor and his wife in front of their two children. This allows Doctor Destiny to enter his mind and exploit his emotions to regain a physical form. After returning with reality-bending powers, Doctor Destiny plans to conquer the universe and destroy numerous worlds to recreate them in his own image. When Batman is about to be rescued from the dream realm, Doctor Destiny spitefully tries to drag Batman down with him and trap him forever.
  • Closet Land: The unnamed interrogator is an ice-cold member of the Secret Police tasked with getting a children's author to admit she put anti-government messages in her stories. Subjecting the author to all sorts of horrific, increasingly painful tortures and psychological mind games to get her to crack, the interrogator is also implied to have molested her as a child.
  • Code 8: Marcus Sutcliffe is a drug lord and Loan Shark whose specialty, Psyke, is made by extracting the spinal fluid of powered individuals. After one of his drug farms is raided, Marcus recruits Connor Reed in multiple robberies at the behest of his subordinate, Garrett Kent, in order to pay off a debt to the cartel known as the Trust. Nia eventually reveals to Connor that Marcus forced her into a position as a healer. Falsely offering Nia's services under the pretense of having her heal Connor's mother, in exchange for the crew stealing his supply back from the police escort, Marcus has his men turn their guns on the crew and steal the supply back for him, resulting in the deaths of two crew members and four police officers. When Nia confronts Marcus about the others, he threatens her imprisoned father, who is in debt to him.
  • Nocturnal Animals: In the titular in-universe novel, Ray Marcus is a sadistic thug hiding behind a veneer of smug innocence. Running the Hastings family off the road on an abandoned highway, Ray terrorizes the family alongside his gang before kidnapping, violently raping, then murdering Laura and her teenage daughter India. Attempting to kill the father, Tony, in the process, Ray goes on to continue his crime spree before feigning ignorance when confronted by Detective Andes on his past rape charges and attack on the Hastings. Upon finally dropping all pretense of innocence, Ray cheerfully brags to Tony that he raped and killed the man's family out of mere pride and because "killing is fun", before trying to bludgeon Tony with a fire poker.
  • Pilgrimage: Raymond de Merville is a cruel Norman soldier who carries out raids against Ireland, later intending on stealing a holy relic against his own father's guarantees despite it meaning the elder de Merville's damnation. Arranging a massacre of pilgrims, Raymond captures the chief monk Brother Ciaran and reveals he is also a serial torturer who fancies a barbed prong, having tortured many Greek Orthodox priests before utilizing the device on Brother Ciaran to give him a slow death, using the same on another opponent and former knight later.
  • The Reckoning (2020):
    • Judge John Moorcroft is a stern and fanatical witch hunter with a legacy of tortured women behind him. Traveling from town to town, Moorcroft interrogates, tortures, and burns women alive, including the mother of heroine Grace. Upon Grace being accused of witchcraft, Moorcroft oversees her torture with increasing intensity before he decides her confession is implicit, since only a witch could endure such agony, sentencing her and her baby to burn for the sake of his wounded pride.
    • Squire Pendleton is Grace's landlord who lusted after her. Poisoning her husband with the Plague, Pendleton attempts to extort Grace for sexual favors to keep her land, fought off when he tries to rape her. Later framing Grace as a witch, Pendleton gives her to Moorcroft to be tortured and executed. Spitefully murdering a prisoner Grace befriended, Pendleton reveals his murder of her husband, vowing to kill anyone Grace has ever cared about, ending with her baby daughter Abby.
  • Requiescant (aka Kill and Pray) (1967):
    • George Bellow Ferguson is a racist ex-Confederate who fancies himself an aristocrat. Massacring a Mexican village to steal their land, Ferguson sets up in San Antonio where he continues to take the land of others, treating Mexicans and Blacks as slaves while murdering any who resist. Allowing his cohort Dean Light to sexually enslave women, Ferguson tries to recruit Requiescant when he arrives to free his stepsister. Initiating sadistic games such as shooting candles out of the hands of young ladies, Ferguson later murders his own wife for assisting Requiescant before trying to kill the remaining Mexican rebels who stand in his way.
    • Dean Light is a licentious, blond-haired sadist who is the one behind the Gatling gun when Ferguson orders a Mexican village massacred and the one holding back Ferguson's wife when Ferguson strangles her. Beyond this, Dean is a sex slaver and a Serial Rapist, lording over Ferguson's forced prostitution racket while Ferguson himself stays hands-off. Dean Light enjoys regularly raping his prostitutes himself, forcing Requiescant's stepsister to endure this treatment after he "won" her in a crooked deal.
  • Robot Ninja (1989):
    • Gody Sanchez is the leader of a gang of punks who prowl the town raping and murdering anybody they please. Encountered by the Robot Ninja, Gody holds a child hostage and accidentally kills him while running away. Happily mutilating Robot Ninja's claw wrist while he's pinned down by her men, Gody later tortures and kills Dr. Goodknight under the impression he was Robot Ninja. Encountering Robot Ninja one final time in the junkyard, Gody runs over a cop patrolling the place before brutally maiming the vigilante until he's near death.
    • Buddy Revelle is Gody's murderous, rape-happy right hand who participates the most in his boss's crime sprees. Upon being encountered by the Robot Ninja, Revelle tries to rape a woman during the commotion, leaving his team to sort out the masked vigilante before becoming Robot Ninja's first kill.
  • Lonesome Dove series:
    • Comanche Moon prequel novel: Ahumado is a Mexican bandit and slave trader known far and wide as the "Black Vaquero" ("Black Cowboy") for his infamous cruelty. Ahumado has a special inclination for torturing his victims to death, from leaving them in cages to be slowly eaten away by wild animals, to having them skinned alive by his personal flayer Goyeta, earning Ahumado a trophy wall lavished with fifty individual skins. Ahumado also likes making trees "grow" through people, having them impaled on the top of trees shaved into stakes in such a way the victim will slowly slide down the trunk and stay alive for days. Ahumado has made entire "forests" of people rotting alive in agony through this method. When he meets Texan captain Inish Scull, Ahumado resolves to cut off Scull's eyelids and force him to stare into the searing heat until he goes insane. Ahumado makes no discrimination in his targets, from the young to the old to his own allies to entire villages full of people, and even after being fatally bitten by a brown recluse Ahumado still makes the time to personally flay Goyeta over a years-old petty grudge.
    • Original novel: Blue Duck is a half-breed Native American who prowls the wilderness outside the towns. Feared by all who know him, Blue Duck is a slaver who kidnaps those he can and sells them for a tidy sum, especially women. Blue Duck kidnaps Lori and allows his companions to rape her on a daily basis, splitting her between his Native and cowboy followers. When one of his men is shot in the gut, Blue Duck refuses to let any other put the henchman out of his misery and allows his Native followers to castrate and scalp him, with barely concealed amusement. Blue Duck murders several other people, including a luckless child who crosses his path, and after his initial escape, he is found in a jail later sentenced to hang. Unwilling to die without at least taking someone with him, Blue Duck seizes a guard and throws the two of them out of the window.
    • The Streets of Laredo sequel novel: Mox Mox the Manburner is a former associate of Blue Duck's who despises everyone in the world for reminding him of himself and what he cannot be or have. Having once desired to burn Lori alive, Mox Mox contented himself with torturing an lighting a little boy on fire instead when Blue Duck refused. Traveling with a band of murderers, Mox Mox kidnaps numerous innocents and burns them, never sparing any for any reason while being hunted. When finally tracked down, Mox Mox has kidnapped two children and is torturing one with a quirt, intending on soon burning them alive as well.
  • Bolt: The Video Game: Dr. Calico is a maniacal terrorist with goals to dominate the world through technology and nuclear superiority. Kidnapping Penny's scientist father to force him into servitude, Calico tries to take Penny herself hostage to further his compliance before simply trying to kill the girl and her superpowered dog Bolt for being nuisances. When his Kill Sat weapon is completed, Calico plans to annihilate every nuclear weapon in the world except his own so he will have ultimate power, but not before he hopes to test his new weapon by destroying Penny's hometown then eliminating her father. Even when beaten, Calico enables his escape by launching his entire nuclear arsenal at random targets to distract Bolt, uncaring of the lives that will be lost if they strike.
  • Armageddon (includes Origins): Adam Hale was originally a young soldier and second-in-command of in the White Faction, overseeing and supporting their war plans and massacring civilians. When his lover Lyra Mason realizes the truth of her past, and rejoins her family, Adam attempts to callously leave Mars uninhabitable by destroying the Terraformer. By the time of Armageddon, Adam reemerged twenty years later as a cult leader, destroying the Terraformer, and causing widespread death and destruction. Learning of a ravenous alien race called the Plague, Hale has his cultists trick Darius Mason into releasing the plague on the people of Mars, overrunning the colonists, and later announces to his cult his plans to enslave these creatures as an army in his conquest. Having given up any care he could have had for Lyla, Adam is ultimately shown to be an ambitious madman, motivated by his claims of destiny and revenge against the Masons.
  • Sahan is a member of the "Angels of Death" and specializes in vampire recruitment. Once a psychologist who despised his patients for not following his advice, Sahan throws his lot in with the mysterious vampire progenitor God and becomes a vampire with hypnosis abilities. Sahan recruits troubled and abused teenagers and then preys on them, twisting them into vampire Cannon Fodder. When one of his subjects refuses, Sahan has her mentally violated with visions of her abusive father. Later, he tries to kill the heroine Hayan in the same manner. Sahan eventually tries to force his brainwashed students to fight to the death against Hayan, and when that fails, attempts to have hundreds of innocents rip their hearts out if she doesn't submit to his monstrous aims.
  • Black Widow: Bad Blood: Jean-Paul Viscose, aka the Shark, is a criminal and biosmuggler working for Alan Holt, a billionaire who thinks he must kill off 80% of humanity to save the remaining 20% and is planning to spread a virus across the globe to achieve this goal. Viscose is willing to aid Holt's mass murder scheme, planning to use Holt's resources to conquer the remaining 20% of humanity after the virus is released. When Black Widow and Bucky Barnes confront Holt, Viscose has Holt killed, taking over the operation himself. Black Widow and Bucky manage to blow up Holt's lab, but Viscose takes a convoy of trucks with the virus and heads to Geneva, planning to spread the virus there, and threatens to kill any of Holt's men who refuse to help him.
  • The Adventures of Puss in Boots: The Bloodwolf is an ancient being of fear that existed before time itself begin, once attempted to destroy the entire world before being sealed away by a wizard named Sino in the Netherworld. Upon being released by Uli, the Bloodwolf shows no gratitude and tossed him aside while coldly stating that he'll destroy him and the whole town of San Lorenzo. The Bloodwolf later tortures the whole town with their greatest fear so that he could wait for the Blood Moon where he would reach his full power, so he could continue his quest to bring about the complete destruction of the world.

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MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#247895: Feb 15th 2021 at 1:09:36 PM

TBH, thinking about it...I'm honestly not sure about keeping Birch at this juncture. The only real standout crime is selling Haytham's sister as a sex slave, literally everything else on this list was inaccurate but "corrupts Haytham and has him kill some people."

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#247896: Feb 15th 2021 at 1:19:28 PM

I didn`t participate in the Birch discussion but reading his crimes now ... I have to agree with Lightysnake. The only crime that stands out to me is selling the MC`s sister as a sex slave.

However, I guess it is too late for that now.

Edited by WatTambor on Feb 15th 2021 at 1:20:39 AM

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#247897: Feb 15th 2021 at 1:20:51 PM

Actually let's go over the others actually.

  • Torquemada is the guy behind the Spanish inquisition and torches a city

  • Carnefice is a serial killer and rapsit.

  • Pierre has the slavery and nearly sinks an entire ship filled with slaves

  • Flavius tries to have Egypt psychically kill itself

  • Julius wipes out whole villages and has people crucified.

  • Chrysis tortures kids into weapons.

  • Pactays wipes out whole village and poisons a water supply.

  • Braddock wipes out native America tribes.

  • Stoughton is behind the Salem witch trails

I actually think Birch should go. Respurce wise he's a templar leader but he's clearly not as bad as others on his tier

Edited by miraculous on Feb 15th 2021 at 1:24:42 AM

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#247899: Feb 15th 2021 at 1:25:23 PM

I'm going with a cut for Birch, he doesn't do enough to stand out especially with his resources.

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