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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#246076: Feb 2nd 2021 at 1:34:52 PM

Yes to the Snake Master, cut Sawyer

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#246077: Feb 2nd 2021 at 1:36:51 PM

Cut Sawyer.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#246079: Feb 2nd 2021 at 1:37:35 PM

Huh, so Vilmer's the only CM from the franchise?

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#246080: Feb 2nd 2021 at 1:38:26 PM

Yes.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#246081: Feb 2nd 2021 at 2:08:06 PM

Alrighty, now for one of mine...

What's the work?

Day of the Triffids is a stellar sci fi horror novel by John Wyndham, my post focusing on the 2009 BBC miniseries. Okay, so...Triffids? Big, intelligent plants that sting people and drink their blood. Issue being? A big meteor shower hits and 95 percent of the world is blinded. the triffids go out of control...and the world is in serious danger. Out hero is Bill Masen, who's still got sight and is hit bad by things as society crumbles......and our villain? Played by the one and only Eddie Izzard in her most villainous roles: Torrence.

Who is Torrence?

a ruthless man who was on a plane when the meteor shower hit, sleeping through it so he kept his sight. On the plane crash, the man who takes the name Torrence shows what kind of man he is by swiping lifejackets from others, including children, to save himself...realizing he has sight, Torrence begins to use this to advance his own career, becoming the Prime Minister via a nasty military coup with a number of deaths. Capturing Bill, our hero, he orders him and his allies fed to the Triffids who are threatening to overrun Britain.

Now, Torrence isn't a very competent leader, ruling through force and fear than anything, with the Triffids as a constant fear until he is about to be overthrown. After that, he directs his forces against the triffids in a battle that he has no chance of winning, resulting in widespread devastation while he just tries to cling to power, murders a radio operator for broadcasting against him as he descends into furious self pity. Deciding on revenge, Torrence hunts down our hero Bill and his love interest Jo...they've adopted two oprhaned little girls. Torrence? Orders Bill to fix the Triffid issue, or he'll murder them and feed the kids to the Triffids. When the girls let the Triffids into his compound, Torrence abandons his men to die to cover himself, decides to murder Bill's family and then tries to murder Bill...in their ensuing fight, Bill gives him the slip and leaves him for the Triffids...which lash him across the eyes, destroying his sight, before binding and devouring him.

any mitigating issues?

Nope, not at all. Torrence is...just a scumbag, a nobody who rises to power via brutality, with a hard coup with numerous deaths, multiple murders, trying to feed little girls to carnivorous plants, all so he can hold to power? No, Torrence is the worst there. The only person as bad as him is a nun who feeds people in her shelter to the Triffids to hold to power, but Torrence is markedly worse.

Conclusion?

I'd say he does enough here. Yea to Torrence.

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#246082: Feb 2nd 2021 at 2:11:26 PM

[tup] Torrence

Cut Sawyer

It's Spooky Month!
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#246084: Feb 2nd 2021 at 2:12:57 PM

[tup]Torrence

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#246085: Feb 2nd 2021 at 2:15:17 PM

Yes to Torrance.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#246086: Feb 2nd 2021 at 2:15:49 PM

Swiping the life jackets? Selfish, but not CM material. Everything else? CM material. Sure to Torrence. The book version count, or not as heinous?

EDIT: Oh, and Dougray Scott (Masen) has now played and fought a CM (he played Niles York).

Edited by ACW on Feb 2nd 2021 at 5:18:16 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#246088: Feb 2nd 2021 at 2:20:15 PM

[tup] The Master and Torrance (not to be confused with the Master and ToRgO).

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#246089: Feb 2nd 2021 at 2:20:28 PM

I haven't read the book in forever, sorry. And I think this's the first for Eddie Izzard

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#246090: Feb 2nd 2021 at 2:22:27 PM

Yes to Torrence. Second for Eddie Izzard after Axelrod from Cars 2.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#246092: Feb 2nd 2021 at 2:32:04 PM

Honestly I actually love when comedy actors do cm roles. They can be very chilling and it's cool to see something different from them.

David Koechner, Kevin James, etc.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#246093: Feb 2nd 2021 at 2:39:57 PM

[tup] to the Snake Master and Torrence.

Cut Roman Navikev.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#246094: Feb 2nd 2021 at 2:59:53 PM

[tup] to the Master and Torrance

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#246095: Feb 2nd 2021 at 3:02:02 PM

[tup] the Snake Master and Torrence (hey, I remember seeing that — I seem to recall watching him get his being a particularly satisfying moment). Cut Roman and Velma.

MalleoWeegee Evolution Requires Sacrifice. from Eurasia Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#246097: Feb 2nd 2021 at 3:32:10 PM

Yes to Torrence.

[down] I think I missed that discussion.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 2nd 2021 at 6:39:49 AM

Tvtropesfan234 Since: Nov, 2019
#246098: Feb 2nd 2021 at 3:35:05 PM

Founded this in N Tropy's page:

Graceful Loser: In Crash Team Racing: Nitro-Fueled, once you beat all his time trial records, he doesn’t seem too upset about it and congratulates you before telling you you’ve unlocked him as a playable character.

This is not a real redeeming quality as it's in a non-canon game and even if it was, he would have lost it by then. Just wanted to point this out in case if anyone tried to argue about his inclusion.

Edited by Tvtropesfan234 on Feb 2nd 2021 at 3:42:08 AM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#246099: Feb 2nd 2021 at 3:39:37 PM

Yes to Torrence

[up]That doesn't affect anything regarding Tropy

MalleoWeegee Evolution Requires Sacrifice. from Eurasia Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Evolution Requires Sacrifice.
#246100: Feb 2nd 2021 at 3:54:04 PM

[up][up]Non-canon Crash games don't count anyway. Trophy as a CM was more impacted on Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time.

Edited by MalleoWeegee on Feb 2nd 2021 at 6:54:33 AM

"I SHALL UNIFY THE WORLD! FROM ALPHA TO OMEGA... BOW DOWN TO ME!!!"

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