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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#243601: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:29:11 PM

[tup] Pariah and Zan.

Happy birthday, Jackie! And you have my condolences, G.

I'll take the opportunity to reserve the show's confirmed second season and add the manga to my To-Do List.

What is the work? Alice in Borderland is a recent Netflix adaptation of the manga of same name. The show follows Ryohei "Alice" Arisu, a jobless young man who finds himself trapped in a deserted version of Tokyo where a series of gut-wrenching death games are taking place, this is the titular Borderland. Borderland's largest colony of survivors comes in the form of Beach, a resort of sorts that also doubles as a hedonistic paradise run by Hatter, a charismatic yet ruthless leader searching for a way to escape Borderland. The people of Borderland are either laid-back or desperate to survive, but, as with most battle royales, a few of them are unhinged monsters looking for a chance to hurt others.

Who is he? Suguru Niragi, second-in-command of Beach's paramilitary wing, is a sadistic sociopath who believes that all Humans Are Bastards, this nihilistic belief system allowing him to rape, torture and murder people to his heart's content. Once a weak-willed victim of bullying in the outside world, Niragi rose to become one of the most feared members of Beach, to the point even the militia's general considers him a dangerous loose canon. As one of the commanders of Beach's armed forces, Niragi was in charge of executing "traitors" of Hatter's regime alongside his boss, General Aguni. When Hatter dies in a coup against him, Niragi gladly goes along with it by threatening to kill the members of Beach's executive council if they refuse to accept Aguni as their new leader. With Aguni now in charge of Beach, Niragi tries to rape Alice's friend, Usagi, before one of Beach's residents is mysteriously killed and the entire colony is forced into a game where they have to find and kill the perpetrator.

When Aguni decides that Murder Is the Best Solution and orders the purge of everyone that's not a member of his faction, aka the vast majority of Beach's population, Niragi personally leads the massacre across the colony and casually murders a militiaman who refused to shoot innocent civilians, ordering the militia to bring countless of innocent people outside for him to snipe all of them from the rooftop to make his job easier. After an encounter with the show's Wild Card, Chesire, leaves his body with severe burn scars, Niragi comes back with only one goal in mind: he'll skip the bureaucracy and simply kill every single living being inside Beach to win the game by himself, throwing a molotov cocktail at the survivors and gunning down several people in his path, with Aguni himself having to sacrifice his life to stop him.

Mitigating Factors? Nope, his weak Freudian Excuse of being bullied in the past doesn't justify his atrocities in the slighest. Unlike his manga counterpart, who survived the events of Borderland and pulled a Heel–Face Turn, this Niragi is a bonafide Psycho for Hire and that's it.

Heinous? The only characters that rival him in this department are his superiors, Hatter and Aguni. Hatter is surprisingly Affably Evil for a dictator who personally killed a few "traitors" himself, and Aguni, Niragi's commanding officer, is another Bad Boss who almost raped Usagi. Aguni would have counted if not for the fact that he genuinely liked Hatter, he accidentally killed him in self-defense and ordered the massacre as a way to avenge his friend's memory, as he considered all of Beach responsible for his delusions of power. Niragi is not only below them in the hierarchy of Beach, but is also independent enough to qualify.

Conclusion? [tup]

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Jan 11th 2021 at 5:37:53 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#243602: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:31:45 PM

[tup]Niragi

Sounds a prime case of From Nobody to Nightmare.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#243603: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:38:28 PM

[tup] Suguru.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#243604: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:38:42 PM

Oh btw Deadpool 3 is going to be set in the mcu. The MCU's first R rated film

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#243605: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:41:06 PM

Sure to Niragi. I assume he gets killed?

[up] Anyone mind if I call that? Also, hopefully that's a good sign for Blade being rated R.

[down] I THINK 20th Century is now part of Disney.

Edited by ACW on Jan 11th 2021 at 3:42:50 PM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#243606: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:41:39 PM

Based on the EP, [tup] to Niragi.

[up][up]Is 20th Century Studios also involved?

Either way, can’t wait. Excited to see what they come up with. They could basically carry over however many elements from the Fox X-Men movies as they want and leave the less desirable ones behind.

Such as Essex who was built up in at least three movies including New Mutants and never shown or included otherwise.

[up]Yeah I know it is. That’s why I ask.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jan 11th 2021 at 1:07:28 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#243607: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:41:48 PM

[tup] Zan (happy birthday Jackie) and Niragi. Condolences, G.

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It's Him
#243609: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:46:03 PM

[tup] to Niragi. Although I'm a little disappointed by the title making me think this was a Alice in Wonderland and Borderlands crossover. You'd want that, don't lie.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#243610: Jan 11th 2021 at 12:46:18 PM

Yes to Niragi.

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
TiMBer1566 kittykat from Virginia Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
kittykat
#243615: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:04:41 PM

Yes to Niragi.

I'm watching the series at this very moment.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#243616: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:11:39 PM

[tup] to Suguru Niragi.

@MGD107: You're welcome. smile

@G-Editor: My sincerest condolences for your loss. Take all the time you need to recover.

Edited by DrUnknown on Jan 11th 2021 at 1:12:01 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#243617: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:14:30 PM

My sincerest condolences for your loss, G. I truly hope you feel better soon.

And yes, I'm very glad that I'm not the only one who expected a crossover between Alice in Wonderland and Borderlands, because that would be absolutely fantastic. Enthusiastic yes to Niragi

MalleoWeegee Evolution Requires Sacrifice. from Eurasia Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Evolution Requires Sacrifice.
#243618: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:31:29 PM

[tup] to Suguru Niragi.

@G-Editor, My sincerest condolences for your loss.

"I SHALL UNIFY THE WORLD! FROM ALPHA TO OMEGA... BOW DOWN TO ME!!!"
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#243619: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:35:32 PM

[tup] to Niragi

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
MalleoWeegee Evolution Requires Sacrifice. from Eurasia Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Evolution Requires Sacrifice.
#243620: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:37:07 PM

I hope Niragi gets killed without redemption. Deadpool 3, rated R, giving hope for Disney movies to be rated R![lol]

Edited by MalleoWeegee on Jan 11th 2021 at 6:15:00 AM

"I SHALL UNIFY THE WORLD! FROM ALPHA TO OMEGA... BOW DOWN TO ME!!!"
Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#243621: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:44:50 PM

Yes to Niragi having seen the series myself.

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#243623: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:53:35 PM

My condolences G Editor sad.

Yes to Niragi. Was planning of giving this series a try.

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#243624: Jan 11th 2021 at 1:58:11 PM

Sorry to hear about you Uncle G.

[tup] to Niragi.

Edited by Beast on Jan 11th 2021 at 1:58:39 AM

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."

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