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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#243051: Jan 6th 2021 at 3:32:14 PM

Actually adding to my own thoughts there: she plays the role of girlfriend and makes her victims think they're in a loving relationship, it's a seriously cruel knife twist.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#243052: Jan 6th 2021 at 3:33:33 PM

[up] Yeah, that is pretty cruel. Honestly feel bad for Chris. He deserved better than her.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#243053: Jan 6th 2021 at 3:33:57 PM

Plus she's the most openly vicious of her family /crew which is always a plus for cm.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#243054: Jan 6th 2021 at 3:35:40 PM

43 is correct.

And much better at putting it into words than me. [lol]

Edited by Bullman on Jan 6th 2021 at 5:40:19 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#243055: Jan 6th 2021 at 3:56:30 PM

Yeah, as 43 says the thing that separates Rose for me compared to her brute force brother and even her parents is that the psychological game she plays with her victims is a lot nastier. I personally still think Roman counts since the onscreen "love" he shows to his family amounts to him standing happily with them in a deranged propaganda video, but I think the thread's already decided on that at least twice.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#243056: Jan 6th 2021 at 3:58:05 PM

Rose is going absolutely nowhere, and an actress going out of her way to debunk a leather pantsing is not the word of god we disregard.

She stays

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#243057: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:02:26 PM

"an actress going out of her way to debunk a leather pantsing"

I missed this.

Also, 43, how's this?

  • Vassago Casals, aka PoH—Prince of Hell—enters SAO to kill a target, later founding the Laughing Coffin guild, where he rallies together the worst of those trapped in the game and has them slaughter their fellow players, simply for the sheer joy that Vassago takes in seeing East Asians kill each other. Later betraying his own guild and abandoning it to die, Vassago corrupts other players and sends them to kill those who had participated in the Laughing Coffin's downfall. Vassago later returns as a member of Glowgen Defence Systems, becoming Gabriel Miller's right-hand man and leading Gabriel's invasion of the Human Territory. When Japanese players appear to try to contain the invasion, Vassago contacts unaware players from China and Korea, lies to them about the situation, and connects them to the Underworld. After finding a comatose Kirito, Vassago tortures him and promises to torture his loved ones to death and kill everything else in the Underworld.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#243058: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:04:48 PM

Approximately 10,000 times better ACW!

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#243059: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:05:31 PM

The actress shot down any idea that her character was brainwashed or anything rather then you know pure evil.

Which makes that whole debate we had kinda Hilarious in Hindsight. Lol....

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Zuxtron Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel from Node 03 (On A Trope Odyssey)
#243060: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:07:50 PM

Earlier today, I suggested a slight alteration to AU Diego Brando's example, and got only one positive response. I don't use this thread often, but I do know that editing a Complete Monster entry is a bit of a big deal, so I want to make sure it's okay before going ahead.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#243061: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:08:36 PM

Fine with that

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#243062: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:09:08 PM

It's just referring to his being the final villain? I'm not sure that's necessary.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#243063: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:09:10 PM

Oh, and BTW, I know Laughing Coffin has a page; I used that for XaXa's entry.

Also, what should we do about Valens' entry? Or this?

Also, found that quote:

“They’d say ‘she was hypnotized, right?’ And I’m like, no! She’s just evil! How hard is that to accept? She’s bad! We gave you so many ways to know that she’s bad! She has photos of people whose lives she ended behind her! The minute she can, she hangs them back up on the wall behind her. That’s so crazy! And they’re still like, ‘but maybe she’s also a victim?’ And I’m like, NO! No! And I will say, that is one hundred percent white people who say that to me.”
Actually, everything before "And I will say..." may make a good addition to the quote page.

Edited by ACW on Jan 6th 2021 at 7:11:47 AM

Zuxtron Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel from Node 03 (On A Trope Odyssey)
#243064: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:11:12 PM

[up][up] Like I said in my other post, I like it when examples have a bit of non-spoilery context whenever possible. If someone is only partway through Part 7, that would help them understand that they probably shouldn't reveal the spoiler tag yet.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#243065: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:19:33 PM

[up][up] I think it's already on the Quotes page. I could be wrong.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#243066: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:21:50 PM

We generally don’t concern about trying to generate spoiler free text. We want entries that focus on the candidate and why they count as this trope. I get where you’re coming from but I really don’t think it works.

Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#243067: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:30:13 PM

Eh, I don't mind the addition to Diego's entry. Not super necessary, but it's not like there's any harm to including it.

Zuxtron Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel from Node 03 (On A Trope Odyssey)
#243068: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:30:16 PM

[up][up] Maybe this reasoning works for the Spoilers Off CM subpage, but the YMMV page itself does have spoiler tags, so I think we should try to write it in a spoiler-friendly way.

The addition doesn't detract from the example, it just makes it nicer for people who aren't done with Steel Ball Run yet.

Edited by Zuxtron on Jan 6th 2021 at 7:30:24 AM

Tvtropesfan234 Since: Nov, 2019
#243069: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:32:05 PM

Hey guys, has anyone made a reservation for the villain from Sackboy: A Big Adventure?

Edited by Tvtropesfan234 on Jan 6th 2021 at 4:32:14 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#243070: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:35:39 PM

Vex?

He was discussed on Magnificent Bastard. Unless something is really off he doesn't sound at all heinous enough from Their?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#243071: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:36:23 PM

[up][up] That's depends, how serious and heinous is he?

Tvtropesfan234 Since: Nov, 2019
Tvtropesfan234 Since: Nov, 2019
#243073: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:38:04 PM

He is heinous throughout the whole game, and his plan is taken very seriously, based on what I saw from the cutscenes and gameplay.

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#243074: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:42:22 PM

His MB EP doesn’t mention any redeeming qualities. He may have a shot.

Tvtropesfan234 Since: Nov, 2019
#243075: Jan 6th 2021 at 4:43:39 PM

He also uses people as slaves to build his machine


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