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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#240976: Dec 21st 2020 at 12:28:24 PM

[tup]Corofax.

Why so serious?
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#240977: Dec 21st 2020 at 12:32:36 PM

[tup] to Daisuke, Fuhrer Crocodile (?!), Corofax, and yeah, switch to [tup] to Tully.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#240978: Dec 21st 2020 at 12:59:21 PM

[tup] Fuhrer Crocodile. I know him (and Starfish Hitler) only from the memes, and never dreamed he'd have a rapsheet that big.

And yes to Corofax. Dynamic Pleasance ENTRY!!!!

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#240979: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:16:34 PM

Guys! Could somebody tell me what are the rules for creepypasta keepers? I am asking because I just read a creepypasta and I think I have found a potential keeper but I am still not sure if I should propose him.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#240980: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:17:22 PM

Is there a substantial plot beyond "bad guy does bad things"?

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#240981: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:28:53 PM

Yes, it has a plot and the villain has an extremely high body count which makes him easily pass the heinous standard. The only potential problem is that he is some kind of powerful extraterestial creature who hates humanity and his reasons for hating humanity are not clear.

However, he shows a very sadistic personality and enjoyment from committing atrocities, so I think that he has enough moral agency.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#240982: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:30:35 PM

Sounds more like a case of the protagonists not being able to fight back IMO.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#240983: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:31:53 PM

Is it another All the Rest? Does it just roflstomp the "heroes" and that's that?

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#240984: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:34:40 PM

Sounds like it.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#240985: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:41:11 PM

Well, what's the work? Maybe we can evaluate it?

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#240986: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:42:54 PM

Chernobyl was no accident.

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#240987: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:43:08 PM

The name of the creepypasta is "Chernobyl wasn't an accident".

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#240990: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:49:47 PM

Kind of sounds like an All the Rest dilemma.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#240991: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:49:54 PM

Yeah, that's exactly the CP we try to discourage here.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#240992: Dec 21st 2020 at 1:58:38 PM

Yes to Corofax.

[down][down] Why are you downvoting the croc?

Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 21st 2020 at 6:05:09 AM

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#240993: Dec 21st 2020 at 2:41:29 PM

[tup] to Yamada, Mr Yoon Hak-chul, Shimazaki Daisuke, Tully, Fuhrer Crocodile (seriously what did I just read?) and Baron Corofax.

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#240994: Dec 21st 2020 at 2:43:34 PM

yes to Fuhrer Croc and Corofax

Looperreallyreallyrocks Since: Jun, 2018
#240995: Dec 21st 2020 at 3:02:25 PM

[tup] Fuhrer Crocodile (sorry, [tdown] was a typo)

Edited by Looperreallyreallyrocks on Dec 21st 2020 at 3:07:36 AM

ReddishGuy1 Since: Jul, 2014
#240996: Dec 21st 2020 at 3:13:19 PM

[tup] to Fuhrer Crocodile. What a coincidence, I just made a Pure Evil Proposal for him on Villains Wiki as well. ;)

Just imagine something here.
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#240997: Dec 21st 2020 at 3:20:32 PM

Yes to Daisuke, Corofax, and Fuhrer Crocodile, who I cannot believe was played 100% straight.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#240998: Dec 21st 2020 at 3:50:05 PM

haha, nice, Red! Great minds etc!

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#240999: Dec 21st 2020 at 4:06:42 PM

What an absurdly specific character to have coincidentally come up on two different websites unaware of the other.

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#241000: Dec 21st 2020 at 4:26:05 PM

[tup]Furher Crocodile. The FUCK did I just read?


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