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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Cut Shinryu. Though I don't know the work and would be willing to here different opinions by people more familar.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 29th 2020 at 11:29:28 AM
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Yes, that's a mitigating factor - Kefka's death scene heavily implies just shy of outright stating that his whole "love and hope mean nothing" schtick is because he's so insane and twisted, he's actually incapable of understanding them, and he destroys because it's the only thing that brings him joy. His self-destruction is framed in a tragic light for this reason.
Edited by DrakeClawfang on Nov 29th 2020 at 9:28:50 AM
Wait, is Dissidia canon? If so, that changes a LOT, and I mean a LOT. As in, we'd need a new page quote and image.
BTW, the rest of the stuff will come tomorrow, but here's the majority. We've also got Alien vs. Predator & Metroid.
- "Next of Kin": Onyx Adams is a far cry from her comics counterpart. Onyx was a former League of Assassins member from the 1700s who has somehow lived to the 2010s and became a CIA black ops operative before leading her unit in a mass desertion and the theft of $100 million. When some of her unit defected back to the CIA, Onyx decided to eliminate them in faked terrorist nerve gas attacks, twice killing a defector and dozens of innocents. Chasing the third and final defector to Star City, Onyx butchers her way through Kord Industries workers and security to steal more gas and sets a building on fire to mask her escape. Attempting to kill her target by sealing him inside a hotel with dozens of guests and gassing them all, Onyx releases the gas to distract Team Arrow with her men still inside while she chases the defector down.
- Cutie Honey a Go Go!: Tarantula Claw is an elite member of Panther Claw, and Sister Jill's eyes and ears. Assisting Jill in her plan to nuke the world and stop Cutie Honey, Tarantula uses her webs to eavesdrop on the Safety Bureau office in order to gather info on their plans, which causes the death of countless innocents, including Dr. Kisaragi, Honey's father/creator. Once she's discovered, Tarantula decapitates a man before making an escape. When Honey goes into hiding at the Saint Chapel Academy, Tarantula uses Fire Claw as bait to find Honey's location, uncaring when she's killed. At the Academy, Tarantula sends some Panther Claw goons to attack the school and its students. When her attempt to kill Natsuko fails, Tarantula uses Dragon Panther to kill head teacher Miss Miharu and burn the academy, later slicing the teenage Ayu in half because her screams were getting on her nerves.
- Ar tonelico: Melody of Elemia:
- Bourd Rade is the second-in-command of the Tenba Organization, notorious for its shady practices. Rade has a penchant for using innocent people in his army, and lets them abuse the Reyvateils they capture. Seeking to dissolve all governing bodies as a power grab, he worked with Bishop Falss to awaken Mir. To do that, he first stole the song, "Chronicle Key", from the Star Singer Misha, to prevent the ritual which would keep Mir's seal intact and kidnap Misha to be his personal weapon, burning down an innocent village to get her. One day, Bourd was told to meet Lyner by Falss and tries to forcefully recruit him. After chasing him and Misha in an airship when they escape, Bourd takes Aurica as a hostage and threatens to throw her off until Misha returns to him, and then goes back on his word, throwing Aurica off anyway. When Lyner and his group goes to stop Mir, Bourd tries to stop them, seemingly killed by Misha; he survives and continues to antagonize the party. After entering Bourd's secret lab, Bourd reveals his goal is to use Mir to create an army of lifeless Reyvateils under his command and use them to destroy the world's government and establish himself in power. He is encountered one last time trying to kill Misha and Lyner to prevent the newly regained "Chronicle Key" from being sung.
- Bishop Falss is the seemingly friendly leader of the Church of Elemia, but, as his name suggests, is wearing a false facade to hide his true colors. From Platina, Bishop Falss's true identity is Kyle Clancy, one of the leaders of Platina who became obsessed with power. Believing he could use the Mother Virus Mir to prosperity and glory, he tried to awaken her only to go mad with power which led to banishment by his fellow leaders Shurelia and Leard. After another attempt Kyle went into hiding in the lower world where he changed his name to Falss. Gaining leadership of the Church of Elemia due to his advanced knowledge from Platina, he began manipulating everyone to start Mir's awakening, working with Bourd Rade and twisting the Church to declaring war against Platina to get revenge on them even if it means sacrificing his own allies. Returning to Platina during the war, Falss manages to awaken Mir and gain her power, which he uses to try kill the heroes.
- ~arpeggio Spin-Off manga: Masticus is a seemingly-kind scientist who aimed to non-humans like the Reyvateils, as he blamed them for two apocalyptic disasters in the past, despite humans playing a strong role. Unleashing the Reveris virus, causing Reyvateils to go berserk and comatose, Masticus plans to perfect it with the Hymn Crystal "Soporific", having Espada's parents killed to get it. Once Sonnet manages to retrieve it from Espada, Masticus began to show his true colors, revealing to Sonnet she's the latest version of the virus, transforming her into the perfect version of the virus and ordering her to kill her friends Espada and Adagio. Once Sonnet was able to break free, the virus manifests itself into a physical form, and under his command Masticus orders it to kill everyone. Once the virus is dealt with, he laughed at the heroes for their ideals before throwing himself to his death as one last attack. A hateful scientist, Masticus pretends he fights for humanity, but in actuality just wants to satisfy his discrimination.
- Miles Morales: Simon Krieger is the sociopathic head of the research and development at Roxxon. Placed in charge of the Nuform Project, Krieger has Rick Mason develop Nuform, only for it to make civilians horribly sick, with Krieger choosing to distribute it anyways, ignoring the risks out of pure greed. When Rick Mason tries to stop the project, Krieger kills him, resulting in Rick's sister, Phin, becoming the Tinkerer. When Phin steals the Nuform, Krieger has his enforcer, Rhino, capture both Miles and Phin, going back on his deal with Prowler to let Miles go, and has them both tortured for information, with Krieger implying that he plans on dissecting Miles for his powers. Knowing that Phin plans to destroy Roxxon Plaza, Krieger has the Nuform reactor sabotaged so it will destroy all of Harlem instead of just Roxxon Plaza while Krieger hides in his bunker to survive the blast, planning on painting himself as an victim of a terrorist attack, before remaking Harlem in his own image. A cruel and corrupt businessman with no regard towards human life, Krieger will murder anyone just for the sake of money.
- The Q Gambit arc: The Kelvin Universe version of Gul Dukat from the future lacks the redeeming qualities of his Prime counterpart. After the Dominion conquered most of the galaxy, Gul Dukat took over the control of the planet Bajor. Capturing and imprisoning the Enterprise crew from the past, Gul Dukat sends Spock and Bones to a labor camp on Bajor. Discovering the existence of the artifact that contains a Pah Wraith and the last Prophet, both powerful interdimensional beings, one good, one evil, Dukat smashes it, allowing the Pah-Wraith to possess him, murdering Kira, the leader of the resistance, who was about to be possessed by the Prophet. Believing the Prophet was destroyed, Dukat takes control of the Enterprise and guides it to the wormhole, killing a Vorta commander who demands to know what is going on and cows the rest of the crew into helping him. Meeting with the other Pah Wraiths in the worm hole, Dukat tried to unleash them upon the galaxy in his quest to become a god, not caring about millions of lives that would perish.
- Be'lakor the First Damned was the first of the Daemon Princes, a man responsible for unfathomable atrocities and bloodshed to receive the universal acclimation of the Ruinous Powers. Be'lakor spread through the galaxy, conquering and then corrupting entire civilizations before letting them fall to extinction or wiping them out while also guiding the bloody rise of Ezekyle Abaddon to further atrocities until he tried to upstage his supposed pupil during the final Black Crusade, leading an attack on Holy Terra to destroy it and all humanity to elevate himself.
- High Lord Goge Vandire, the instigator of the Age of Apostasy, made himself the head of the Imperium in all but name. Launching a brutal wave of repression and torture that spanned across countless worlds, with endless billions and more tortured for his pleasure, Vandire demanded tithing and for his own worship to supplant that of the Emperor himself, wiping out entire worlds should they fail to meet his standards. Nearly tearing the Imperium apart, Vandire's depredations continued for seven full decades with a reign of terror and brutal tyranny such as the Imperium had never known.
- Yu-Gi-Oh!: Master Guide 6
: Lee is the main villain of the World Legacy story. Originally a scientist studying the World Key, an artifact of unimaginable power, she decided to use it to awaken the power at the planet's core, which would allow her to become a god. The act nearly destroyed the world, and wiped out most life on it. Though she was killed in the aftermath, she bound her soul to the created World Chalice. Much later, Lee came across 3 heroes, Ib, Ningirsu, and Auram, and their pet dragon, and convinced them to gather the World Legacy artifacts that were created as a part of the World Key's activation. At first seeming benevolent, she reveals her true colors in front of Ib, and takes control of her body. Though defeated when Ib regained control, Ib was forced to kill herself in the process. When Ningirsu tried to revive Ib, it was revealed that Lee survived in the robot Ningirsu created for Ib's soul. Lee then seemingly destroyed Ib's soul, all while attempting to become a god once again, not caring about the world being destroyed.
- Princess Candle: Lord Swey is an ambitious young man who wants to become King by forcing Princess Skw'ah to marry him. Aware of Skw'ah's exile in a monastery, Swey manipulates bandits to attack the monastery before slaughtering them so he can have an excuse to justify his presence. When the Princess escapes thanks to a couple of local women, Swey throws one in a river and allows his men to sexually torture the other one. Predicting Skw'ah's destination, Swey murders the local noble sheltering her and cuts the arm of her bodyguard Flora. He orders his men to burn the castle while stating his intention of marrying and raping Skw'ah to produce an heir.
- "Hell Bound": Matthias "The Reaper" Pavayne was a Mad Doctor And Serial Killer who was sacrificed by Wolfram & Hart to deconsecrate the holy ground on which they built their Los Angeles office. Enduring as a ghost, Pavayne avoids his fate of being sent to hell by torturing the souls of others who died in the building, condemning them to hell in his place and reveling in his power over others. Cheating damnation for over two hundred years, Pavayne targets a ghostly Spike as his latest victim, tormenting him with visions of Pavayne's past victims before revealing himself and moving on to physical and psychological torture. When Angel and his team bring in a psychic to help Spike, Pavayne gruesomely murders her to avoid detection. When Fred tries to make Spike corporeal again to save him, Pavayne starts strangling her, intending to force Spike to choose between saving himself or saving Fred and allowing Pavayne to send him to hell.
- "Die Blutgrafin", by Yvonne Navarro, from Tales of the Slayer, Vol. 1: Elizabeth Báthory, the titular "Blood Countess", is a fiendish noblewoman who begins to abuse her servants before moving onto murder. Kidnapping hundreds of servant girls, Báthory has them starved and abused in squalid, filthy conditions. Savoring their pain, Báthory later has them tortured to death through various methods like the Iron Maiden, to which she subjects the heroine of the story, Slayer Ildikó Géllert. Báthory is a monstrous human who believes that bathing in the blood of her victims will give her immortality.
- The Demon (April 1994-June 1994 & March 1995-April 1995 issues): SS General Ernst Focke-Wulfe von Raddel was a Nazi Panzer commander who led his unit on a host of brutal war crimes throughout Europe, killing and raping as they went. After recovering from decades of catatonia, von Raddel revives his unit as undead killers, wipes out a US military base to gain their tanks and plots to level all of the US and most of Europe to establish a Fourth Reich, even trying to practice by wiping out a town of two thousand people.
- The Banana Splits: What if Bingo had a larger role...?
: The Animatronic version of Bingo manages to be far worse than in the original film. Tired of being the Butt-Monkey of the Banana Splits, he comes up with a plan to kill everyone who's mistreated him by tricking the Splits into killing both the guests and staff members, starting by brutally killing Stevie. Cheerfully killing Doug with his drumsticks, Bingo later gets knocked off a indoor set bridge trying to kill another survivor. Having survived the fall, he kills Poppy with an axe, as well as his creator, Carl, cracking a sick joke during the deed. At the climax, Bingo confronts the survivors, and taunts them about how he manipulated his fellow animatronics into killing people, insulting all of them in the process, and goes in to kill the survivors before being stopped by Snorky, with the two getting into a brutal fight, ending with Bingo ripping Snorky's "heart" out, cruelly taunting the elephant before getting killed himself.
- The Joy of Creation: Reborn: Creation is a ghostly Doppelgänger who invades the home of Scott Cawthon, intending to steal his body through any means necessary. To this end, he possesses a hobo and exploits the Cawthon family's kindness to get in, at which point Creation has the Ignited Animatronics attack his wife and son. Meanwhile, Creation traps Scott in an Eldritch Location, psychologically torturing him mercilessly, at one point keeping him in a office for what seems like days. When confronted, Creation has Scott trapped in the attic, calmly explaining that he simply wants the sensation of feeling, while purposely avoiding explaining why he's after Scott specifically. As the house burns down, Creation ultimately manages to kill Scott, and while he promises to keep his family safe, an Easter egg reveals that he kills his son, nick, in the future, rendering the promise moot.
- Aliens: Carter Burke, Special Projects Director for Weyland-Yutani's Special Services Division, is the man responsible for the Hadley's Hope disaster. Sending the colonists near a Xenomorph egg nest with no adequate warning, Burke shows no remorse when predictable consequences see the colony wiped out to all but a single little girl. Hamstringing the efforts of the marines to kill the Xenomorphs in hopes he can capture one to advance his profits and stature in the company, Burke tries to have Ripley and the child Newt infected by Facehuggers to smuggle the aliens back inside them while plotting to eject all the marines in cryosleep into deep space so nobody can contradict his story.
- Almighty Thor: Loki is depicted as an aeons-old Demon God banished by Odin centuries ago. Escaping from his Prison Dimension into Valhalla and seeking the Hammer of Invincibility, Loki massacres the guards in Odin's palace and unleashes his army of lindworms to devour the inhabitants of Valhalla, as he searches for the hammer, gleefully killing everyone that gets in his way. Challenged by Odin, Loki uses his illusion powers to trick Odin into killing his older son Baldir. and then kills Odin by stabbing him In the Back. After learning Thor and the Valkyrie Jarnsaxa had escaped to Los Angeles with the hammer, Loki follows Thor, unleashing a wave of destruction behind him as he orders his monster army to lay waste to LA, and then killing Jarnsaxa and casting Thor into Hell, before unleashing Ragnarok to destroy Earth and intending to do the same on every other world in his attempt at universal conquest.
- Fighting Madam: Madame Yeung is a sadistic, high-ranking Triad member with a love of torture and money. Launching a police and gang leader killing spree after the destruction of her gang's opium farm in order to gain control over the drug market, Yeung chops off the fingers of one of her men for blaming her for his friends' deaths. Killing her boss to gain control over his organization, Yeung later tortures Alex to near-death after a sneaking mission goes wrong. Deciding to make her money selling gold, Yeung sends her men out to steal trucks carrying golden statues, burying the trucks under cement, uncaring that her own drivers suffocate to death.
- Hong Kong Corruptor: Li Pang, appearing to be Uncle Hung's loyal protege, turns out to be a power-hungry, ruthless, and cruel traitor when he betrayed an informant and killed him in front of his family, then personally shot the informant's mother and children with a twisted smile on his face. Partaking in the drug trade despite Uncle Hung's wishes, Li Pang reveals his true nature by executing Uncle Hung while arguing with him in the middle of a mob meeting before numerous Triad lieutenants, and declaring himself their new leader. Intending to have everyone who stands in his way to power hunted down and killed, Li Pang had Ho-tin's Love Interest, Siu-fung, kidnapped and forcing her to scream into a phone while sodomizing her to intimidate Ho-tin. In the final confrontation when Ho-tin, Wah and the rest of Ho-tin's allies takes down Li Pang's mooks in a shootout, Li Pang reveals that he had strapped a Time Bomb on Siu-fung, gleefully hitting her multiple times with a wrench until she bleeds while taunting Ho-tin, shoots both Ho-tin and Wah non-fatally to make them suffer as much as possible and trigger the time-bomb on Siu-fung blowing her to bits as a final act of spite.
- May the Devil Take You Too (2020): The Satanist Ayub learned how he could sacrifice children to Satanic forces for power, and after his wife died, had free rein to delve into pure evil, torturing the children in his care regularly. Returning as a ghost and corrupting one of the children into serving him, Ayub tortures and kills one of the now-grown children before attempting to do the same to the others to deliver their souls to damnation for his own benefit.
- Alien vs. Predator: The Rage War Trilogy, by Tim Lebbon: Beatrix Maloney is the leader of the Rage. When the peaceful explorers known as the Founders discovered Xenomorphs and advanced alien technology that could allow others to control them, Maloney murdered their leader, Wordsworth, and took over. Renaming them the Rage, Maloney began breeding Xenomorphs, and once she had built a large enough army, set to conquer humanity. Choosing to test the Xenomorphs on the Yautja, Maloney destroyed many of their populations, driving them into the Human Sphere, while having saboteurs damage the cryosleep pods on human ships, killing those inside, to escalate the conflict between the two races. Upon reaching the Human Sphere, Maloney's android generals attack numerous human settlements, military and civilian alike. When her second capital ship is destroyed, Maloney attempts to attack Earth herself, telling one of the senior board members of Weyland-Yutani that she will not accept surrender.
- Catalyst & Rogue One: Commander Orson Callan Krennic, the future Director of the Advanced Weapons Research division of the Imperial Military, originally fought for the Republic as a Lieutenant Commander in the Clone Wars, massacring even civilians whose only crime was being affiliated with Separatists. Krennic enthusiastically supported the new Empire in order to make his dream of creating the planet-killing Death Star a reality. At one point, Krennic orchestrates a war on one world, both so the Empire can end up brutally suppressing it and to distract his rival Tarkin. Krennic tries to obtain the research of his former friend, pacifistic genius scientist Galen Erso, for the sake of using it for the Death Star's superlaser, and massacres a group of engineers who ask to be released from their contracts by blowing up their facility. When Galen escapes, Krennic tracks him down, resulting in the death of Galen's wife before forcing him to complete the Death Star, which Krennic later tests on the civilian city of Jedha after his original proposal of destroying the entire moon is shot down, finding himself awestruck by the resulting mass casualties and destruction. After learning that one of his engineers leaked information on the Death Star, Krennic has them all executed just to hurt Galen—who had already admitted he was the leaker. Firmly dedicated to furthering his own career, Krennic will betray or murder whoever he has to in order to keep the command he feels is his by right.
- Phasma through The Last Jedi note : Phasma engineered her own family's deaths as part of a cover story to join their rival tribe and later ingratiate herself to the First Order, whom she later aided in the destruction of her home planet. Indoctrinating recruits for the First Order as a Captain in their ranks, Phasma happily assisted in their massacres and war crimes as well. Painfully murdering her former superior Brendol Hux, Phasma also attempted to poison and kill a kindhearted stormtrooper and ruthlessly tried to kill any who knew of her past, including her own young niece. Selling out the codes of the Starkiller Base to save herself from the heroes, Phasma sacrifices loyal soldiers to ease her own escape and later murders a survivor who knew of her treachery, inciting a war between local species on a planet to eliminate them. Afterwards, Phasma kills the TIE pilot who had helped her just to tie up loose ends and when she encounters former-First Order member Finn, tries to torture him to death instead of going for a quick kill to draw out his suffering. A coward who will betray and murder anyone to live a bit longer, Phasma sets the standard for ruthless evil in the First Order, with nobody safe from her cruelty.
- Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor: Lord Cronal, aka "Shadowspawn" or "Blackhole", fanatically believed the only true power was that of destruction and even participated in the rape of his own daughter alongside the Prophets of the Dark Side out of fury for her using her powers of creation. Plotting to overthrow Emperor Palpatine while serving under him, Cronal declared himself the New Galactic Emperor following the latter's death and waged war on the New Republic. Embarking on a campaign of death and destruction, Cronal also kidnapped, lobotomized and mind-controlled force users to serve as backup bodies should his own fail him, seeking to do the same to Luke or Leia Skywalker. When his attempt to take Luke or Leia failed, Cronal used the kill switches implanted in his forces to send them on suicide runs while he escaped, resulting in the death of all 50,000. Cronal's nihilism set him on a campaign of death, with his goal as Emperor being to end all of existence.
- Lord Vitiate, born Tenebrae, rose from an illegitimate child of a Sith Lord to the Greater-Scope Villain of the entire franchise. Murdering his father to entrap his soul and take power, Vitiate went on to lure thousands of Sith Lords to his planet, where he forced them to participate in a ritual which empowered him while draining the world of life. As Emperor Valkorion, he brought about the devastating Mandalorian Wars and later caused another war which claimed countless more lives, using sleeper agents to weaken the Republic and trying to destroy entire star system in an attempt to enact a ritual which would allow him to devour all life in the galaxy. Possessing a hero to found yet another Empire on the planet Zakuul, Vitiate manipulated his own children from the possession, having one of his sons murder the other and using his daughter for cruel experimentation. With his "Eternal Empire", Vitiate bound his spirit to the hero the Outlander and initiated a new invasion to cause a galaxy-wide war and caused further chaos by having his now insane daughter take the throne of Zakuul, before allowing for her assassination and leaving the planet in turmoil without a leader. Ultimately hoping to allow the Eternal Fleet to annihilate the Jedi and Sith alike, Vitiate was a being so evil that even other Sith held him in contempt, cementing him as one of the single most evil beings to ever threaten the galaxy.
Edited by ACW on Nov 29th 2020 at 12:33:44 PM
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No it's not canon to the other games as far as I know. It certainly doesn't fit in with any of the game.
No one mentioned cutting Kefka.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 29th 2020 at 11:35:40 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadTo be fair that Alternative Character Interpratation exists in the original final fantasy 6. It's just once again its an Alternative Character Interpratation and nothing more. Dissidia rewrote a few characters so they went with that but It doesn't affect FF 6.
Edited by miraculous on Nov 29th 2020 at 9:37:19 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Dissidia's canonicity is ambiguous. The Dissidia games themselves (all of them - 012, NT, and 00) make it clear that the warriors being summoned are the same characters from the original games, they specifically mention things and events from them (Yuna talks about the pilgrimage with Tidus, Cecil namedrops the Red Wings and Baron in an Official Quest, Zidane comments that he and Kuja parted on good terms in their world, etc.).
However, those original games never specifically mention the Dissidia games. The closest we've gotten is Y'shtola claiming that Kefka is "eerily familiar" when Kefka cameo'd in FF14. On the other hand the Dissidia games give a convenient Hand Wave that each time the summoned went home their memories of the Dissidia games are erased, so... *shrug*
Edited by DrakeClawfang on Nov 29th 2020 at 9:38:37 AM
His one line backstory would be problematic if expanded on but this sounds like a loose connection. Let’s leave him until there’s something more substantive. It seems like Depending on the Writer right now. You mentioned Dissidia!Emperor as well?
Yes. The Dissidia Emperor definitely has no mitigating factors - he's never shown to be anything but a selfish and ambitious tyrant who wants everyone under his heel. But if he meets the heinous standard when placed alongside the likes of Kefka and Exdeath, who at least attempt to kill their comrades if not actually doing it, that I'm unsure of (the Emperor wants his comrades to die but doesn't try to do it himself).
Edited by DrakeClawfang on Nov 29th 2020 at 9:42:51 AM
The only "canon" IIRC thing the Dissidia games offer is explicit confirmation that the Gilgamesh who appears all the time is the same exact guy.
I'll hear the Emperor for CM but this is raising some concerns about his MB entry for me, as he was done back here
, since combined with the EP admitting he was condescending and arrogant, is now just starting to sound like a total dick. If you'd like to dispute that Drake it might be worth talking on the sister thread.
So I found a cm wick on CHERUB Series
- Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil:
- The sex trafficking mission in The Fall is one of the most harrowing missions in the series, especially when Lauren is almost raped by one of the traffickers.
- Dirty Dave from Brigands M.C. and Shadow Wave disgusts several other characters due to his history of sexually abusing girls, and James is horrified when Dave assaults Kerry in Shadow Wave and insinuates that he's about to rape her before the Fuhrer tells him to back off because they've got a job to do.
- Leonid Aramov is marked out as a Complete Monster in part by his raping of his wife and several Korean refugees.
Armanov is already up. Should we add this to his entry.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Some pothole ideas:
- Tarantula Claw: Half the Man He Used to Be at "in half"
- Bourd Rade: Dread Zeppelin at "airship", Take Over the World at "establish himself in power"
- Be'lakor: Demon Lords and Archdevils at "Daemon Princes", Galactic Conqueror at "conquering", Kill All Humans at "all humanity"
- Goge Vandire: Tyrant Takes the Helm at "launching a brutal wave of repression and torture"
- Lee: Manipulative Bastard at "convinced them to gather the World Legacy artifacts", Lack of Empathy at "not caring about the world being destroyed"
- Lord Swey: An Arm and a Leg at "cuts the arm off", Marital Rape License at "marrying and raping"
- Carter Burke: It's All About Me at "advance his profits and stature within the company", Would Hurt a Child at "the child Newt"
- Ayub: Cold-Blooded Torture at "torturing", Our Ghosts Are Different at "ghost"
What do you think?
An other entry I found With Pearl and Ruby Glowing
- Complete Monster: P.R, a.k.a Ratigan, is somehow even worse than his movie counterpart. To many, he is a highly viewed professor of Criminology. To the palace, however, he is a complete monster. He first grooms all of his victims, making them all feel good about themselves and about their relationship with him, then he gets them alone and has his way with them. Children are not spared, with his youngest victim (Lisa Loud) being only four. And despite how many people know of his awful deeds (up and to attempted murder in Noah's story), the police refuse to believe anything is wrong because of how much prestige he has. An unrepentant monster through and through, Ratigan on his own has resulted in more people coming to the Palace than almost all the other assaults combined.
So this is apparently a fic where Disney characters get subjected to stuff like rape so I'm going to just cut it and move on....
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Drake you did the Emperor on the MB thread. During his EP you admitted he’s quite smug and you’re now compounding that issue with him being awful enough in his villainy for this trope. This makes his standing debatable. I’m attempting to give you a courtesy message to let you know you might want to stop by the MB thread to defend him if his actions are deemed too reprehensible to still count for that trope... not sure what’s not getting through here.

Uh sure cut shinryu. Don't mind him going Tbh.
Uh doesn't kefka get an Alas, Poor Villain in dissdia. Don't think he counts.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."