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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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#236826: Nov 19th 2020 at 3:40:30 AM

[tup]ernst and Etelgar

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#236827: Nov 19th 2020 at 3:44:38 AM

[tup] to Ernst Focke-Wulf von Raddel (it doesn't matter if you don't, one alone is so worth it) and Etelgar.

Also [tup] to Argost's rewrite, I agree he deserves it.

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#236828: Nov 19th 2020 at 3:57:23 AM

There was a moment in the first season where Argost tries to have the entire Saturday family fed to some wild Cryptids while they are still alive instead of killing them quickly. I think that maybe you could include that as well because it shows a level of cruelty and sadism.

Edited by WatTambor on Nov 19th 2020 at 3:57:38 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#236829: Nov 19th 2020 at 4:06:00 AM

Oh, right, yes to Argost's rewrite.

BTW, is the fic with Joylin based off a specific Star Wars work, or just the franchise (both canon and Legends) in general?

captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#236830: Nov 19th 2020 at 4:09:24 AM

[tup] Ernst Focke-Wulf von Raddel (must say that's a first, rhyming EPs? Lighty does poetry with ease!), headhunter trio, Etelgar, Rwby/Jojo fanfic villain

[tdown] Sko-Eddel

Edited by captainmarkle on Nov 19th 2020 at 1:10:15 PM

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#236831: Nov 19th 2020 at 4:13:21 AM

With Etelgar, he may be the worst in the movie, but he has to compete with, at the VERY least, Lugiel and Exceller. Though I'll stick with my yes; he seems to compare nicely with Exceller at least, and the And I Must Scream and Mind Rape seem fairly unique for Ultra baddies.

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#236832: Nov 19th 2020 at 4:15:57 AM

ACM, it is mostly based on the series of books written by Jude Watson but there are also elements from the Clone Wars because Ahsoka also appears in the fanfic (and she doesn`t appear in those books).

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#236833: Nov 19th 2020 at 4:16:36 AM

Hmm, in that case I'll just slot it under the Other Media section on the fanfic CM page. And do something like:

Edited by ACW on Nov 19th 2020 at 7:20:00 AM

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#236836: Nov 19th 2020 at 4:25:35 AM

@ ACW Compared to the two other Big Bad from Ginga's show... Etelgar's a few notches below Lugiel, but leagues ahead of Exceller

If Ultraman Belial is a 10/10, Etelgar's somewhere between 7 to 8

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#236837: Nov 19th 2020 at 4:29:35 AM

However, in my opinion you should write only "primarily Jude Watson's novels" because there aren`t a lot of elements from the Clone Wars.

ThePat Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Singularity
#236838: Nov 19th 2020 at 4:38:11 AM

[tup] for Etelgar.

I heard someone managed to create the page for The☆Ultraman. Scratch that, I assume someone managed to do a proposal for Heller.

Edited by ThePat on Nov 19th 2020 at 8:38:59 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#236840: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:08:44 AM

[up][up][up] Then let's go

[up][up][up][up] I'll stick with my yes then (though it DOES make me wonder about Exceller, though Exceller seems an exceptionally Bad Boss).

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#236841: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:28:21 AM

I got a request over PM to change the Pong Krell image at ImageLinks.Complete Monster to a larger version of the same image. I've complied per the standard policy about quality swaps for images.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#236842: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:33:15 AM

Yeah, as long as it's the same image, that's fine.

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
Tvtropesfan234 Since: Nov, 2019
#236844: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:50:13 AM

BTW, Has anyone tried to propose King Malbert from Igor? Because He is a nasty guy...

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#236845: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:52:09 AM

Yes, we downvoted him a few times actually.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#236846: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:13:43 AM

[tup] to Wolfe

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
TiMBer1566 kittykat from Virginia Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
kittykat
#236847: Nov 19th 2020 at 7:12:06 AM

Yes to von Raddel. Doing an entire EP in rhyme must have been quite the battle.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It's Him
#236849: Nov 19th 2020 at 7:21:24 AM

Quick question: I'm aware that in the novelization of God of War, Ares is bad enough to count. So why doesn't he count in the main game again? He doesn't seem much better there.

Tvtropesfan234 Since: Nov, 2019
#236850: Nov 19th 2020 at 7:25:22 AM

What about Erwin from Pac Man World 3? He wants to destroy both Pac-World, and the Spectral Realm

Edited by Tvtropesfan234 on Nov 19th 2020 at 7:32:33 AM


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