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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

MenaceofMysterio Pan left! from The Emerald City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Pan left!
#236701: Nov 17th 2020 at 4:04:47 PM

Question: Things like Heel–Face Brainwashing don't count toward negating a character's CM status, right? (I'm specifically thinking of recent events in the Spider-Man comic where Norman Osborn is "cleansed" of his evil by Sin-Eater)

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#236702: Nov 17th 2020 at 4:05:33 PM

[up] No. If they don't turn good of their own free will, it doesn't disqualify them.

Kappaclystica Since: Jan, 2019
#236703: Nov 17th 2020 at 4:07:19 PM

...and Denise shows remorse when her employees and friends are murdered.

I think you mean she shows no remorse, right? Otherwise [tup] to Denise.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#236705: Nov 17th 2020 at 4:28:56 PM

[tup] Zuwa, Runeard, Jack and Denise

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#236706: Nov 17th 2020 at 4:39:28 PM

[tup]Denise

@Mysterio that depends, is he in any way redeemed or such.

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#236708: Nov 17th 2020 at 4:40:52 PM

[up][up].....He literally had his evil sucked out. How would that be mitigating for cm considering that's not a conscious choice on his part to be good.

Edited by miraculous on Nov 17th 2020 at 4:43:18 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#236709: Nov 17th 2020 at 4:44:14 PM

[up] Chill. They may not be familiar with the comic.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#236710: Nov 17th 2020 at 4:46:16 PM

I haven't read a Marvel/DC comic in...like...forever. I'm only familiar with recent events after they happened.

Edited by nwotyzal on Nov 17th 2020 at 4:46:42 AM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#236711: Nov 17th 2020 at 4:47:53 PM

[up] That's fine. I ask questions about thinks I'm not familiar with all the time.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#236712: Nov 17th 2020 at 5:19:42 PM

[tup] Denise

[tup] Jack

[tup] King Runeard, which I just have to nice given how he used to be a posterboy for Offscreen Villainy preventing a otherwise easy keeper from qualifying

Edited by KazuyaProta on Nov 17th 2020 at 8:20:17 AM

Watch me destroying my country
k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#236713: Nov 17th 2020 at 5:21:43 PM

Has anyone seen the action film The 2nd (2020)? I think there's a candidate from there but I'd like a second (pun not intended) opinion.

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#236714: Nov 17th 2020 at 6:05:50 PM

[tup] Springy Jack, Denise

Added Muslim Cthulu into the drafts, I hope everyone's okay with that... haven't really posted write-ups for anthologies before

Edited by RobertTYL on Nov 17th 2020 at 9:11:13 PM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#236715: Nov 17th 2020 at 7:32:54 PM

[up] Its alright, it’s just like a writeup for any episodic work.

Speaking of writeups, I trimmed the Runeard one somewhat:

  • Frozen II: Dangerous Secrets: King Runeard's crimes are fleshed out much more in the book. Runeard, former king of Arendelle, was the father of Angarr and the grandfather of Anna and Elsa. He was horribly abusive towards his wife and child, eventually causing the former to leave him, with Runeard blaming it on an 'evil spirit'. He eventually encountered the Northundra tribe and feared them for their use of magic which could threaten his power, so he built a dam seemingly as a peace offering but really to drain their resources and force their submission. When the Northundran leader showed concern, Runeard killed him in cold blood and waged battle on the Northundras, killing many on both sides. Even after his death, his actions would continue to haunt all involved. In the end, Runeard showed himself to be nothing more than a merciless tyrant who would gladly murder anyone who got in his way to keep his power.

Cut a few unnecessary details, like the way he died, which is not relevant to his evil actions.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#236716: Nov 17th 2020 at 7:48:17 PM

I wrote the EP for the Headmaster, but I didn’t get to rewatch the movie yet and am beginning to not feel very confident in him at all. Should I just post it now so he can get written off quickly or maybe see what happens after the rewatch?

If not, it can wait.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Nov 17th 2020 at 7:49:16 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#236717: Nov 17th 2020 at 7:54:50 PM

[up] if you already have an EP of him then you can post it here now

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#236718: Nov 17th 2020 at 8:00:05 PM

[up][up] If I were you, I'd rewatch, just to be sure.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#236719: Nov 17th 2020 at 8:30:19 PM

[tup] Denise; second that being a great first EP.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#236720: Nov 17th 2020 at 8:35:51 PM

Can I ask a question? On Whoniverse, why is the The "Decayed" Master's crimes listed in "UNIT Years" one's write up? It's been awhile since I have watched his episodes. So I don't really remember it that well. But is he the same incarnation? Like officially, because I remember it being more ambiguous.

Edited by Bullman on Nov 17th 2020 at 12:32:07 PM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#236721: Nov 17th 2020 at 10:19:26 PM

[tup] Denise, Jack, and Runeard.

Edited by emperors on Nov 17th 2020 at 1:19:53 PM

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
TellAll111 Since: Jun, 2010
#236722: Nov 18th 2020 at 12:23:05 AM

I'm going to try and step out of my comfort zone and respond to E Ps even if I haven't watched/read/played the media.

[tup] for Renard (want to read), Jack and Denise Daniels (played).

Edited by TellAll111 on Nov 18th 2020 at 12:31:31 PM

coolmaneditor Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: In love with love
#236723: Nov 18th 2020 at 1:10:13 AM

[tup] to Runeard, having read the book. On that note, might wanna mention Rita getting her memories of her life in Arendelle wiped in the writeup. I feel like that is an exceedingly grim bit in the King's history.

Edited by coolmaneditor on Nov 18th 2020 at 1:12:12 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#236725: Nov 18th 2020 at 3:06:45 AM

[tup] Denise. Rather different kind of niche than the current keepers from the game.


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