During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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God, tomorrow's gonna suck. There are gonna be like 50 EP's, and the to-do list is gonna get too big 
Yes to Nash (though what would he do with his power? Rule over the exterminated humanity? ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
).
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Didn't we like have over a dozen EP's also on Halloween back in 2016 ?
Time flies.
Edited by Beast on Oct 30th 2020 at 3:18:29 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Goku Black
Now its officially Halloween where I live. So my first of two eps. First the shorter one since theirs not really much to say.
Whats the work ?
The Tangled Skein is a 1992 novel by David Stuart Davies.
Following the successful conclusion of the investigation into the affair of the Hound of the Baskervilles, Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson little realise that fate will see them back in Devon before the year is out. Holmes receives a potentially lethal package, the first strand in the tangled skein which he will need to unravel before this new adventure is resolved. A threat to Holmes's life, murders on Hampstead Heath and a strange phantom lady lead Holmes and Watson into the most dangerous investigation they have ever undertaken...
Who is Count Vlad Tepesh Dracula
Once a brutal romanian conqueror, Dracula eventually gained the power to become one of the undead and rose to prominence. After centuries off feeding off and warping the minds of the village woman who live by him, Dracula comes to London where he finds the doctor of a girls academy and brainwashes' him into his servant. Drac's bite has the ability to instill his evil into his victims which both drives them insane in an agonising manner and turns into evil monsters. Dracula then has him bring him young woman from the academy whose minds he warps by instilling his evil into them, turning them into savage beasts with in one case one of these women ends up getting out and attacking various children. He then keeps them as his personal brides.
Anyway Holmes and Watson end up investigating and are contacted by van helsing who reveals what dracula has been doing, so they set out to stop him. Their first attempt to save one of his victims fails when he uses his powers and bites to drive her insane and vampirze her, forcing them to stake her. Anyway Holmes and Watson meet the doctor and discover hes Dracula's servant and defeat him but not before Drac has converted the girl they were attempting to rescue. Anyway they head off to baskerville manner and face off against Dracula who intends to settle the score. Dracula reveals that this is just step one: he plans to create colonies of insane vampires driven by bloodlust all around the world and rise up and overwhelm humanity making him ruler of the world. This just being his first colony. Holmes reveals to him, hes not scared off him but that he should be off him. Hes able to unsettle Drac enough that hes able to fire a silver bullet which wounds him. He then decides to run but is trapped by the moors and incinerated by the sun. With his death all of his creations die with him.
Redeeeming qualities ?
Uh no. Not really. Hes a creepy fiend who gets pissed that holmes is stopping him. All the vampires we meet are insane because hes corrupted and driven them crazy but he is very much in control and the guy who did that to them in the first place. Sort of follows hammer horror rules of a master vampire ruling over undead servants totally loyal to him.
Their is a moment where he's caught in the bog and is being burnt by the sun where watson feels a tinge of pity because hes being burnt alive and thats a pretty bad way to go. But that isn't an Alas, Poor Villain or anything as Watsson does think that drac is a monster and is glad hes gone just the manner of his death freaked him out a bit.
So all in all nada.
Heinous standard?
Not the worst dracula ever but I'd say so. He has an entire history of infecting woman with his evil (one of his victims describes it as nightly mental and physical agony which carries on for days before hes done) before turning them into his broken brides. Hes done this for centuries and now plans to do it the world over. His ultimate plan is create colonies of mind broken and warped slaves all over the world to overwhelm humanity and take over. I think the mix of torture both mental and physical treated as a Fate Worse Then Death plus his plans to do this to the entire world push him over.
Conclusion ?'
Still what do you think?
Edited by miraculous on Oct 30th 2020 at 3:06:27 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Dracula.
to Dracula
Ultimate Moral Compass
Dracula
Nash and Dracula.
Goku Black
Honestly this Halloween may be known as the day of the Dracula considering how many eps were going to get on him .
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Wonder if he'll reach 40.
All I got is a rapist turtle demon 
BTW, Otherworld gets locked Tuesday, image or not.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I may have two Michael Myers from unproduced scripts. I just gotta finish reading them of course.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Yes to Nash and Dracula. As for ACW's conundrum... there's gotta be something we can do to make this easier on him. It's the day before, so I'm not gonna say anyone should hang back with the posts or anything and I'll think on what we can do going forward but this has gotta suck to have all that on your shoulders. Message me if you need help man, I'm not creative with potholes like you are but I can even take care of those if you wanna cut some of your book of business off for me to handle if it gets to be too much.
Goku Black
Maybe create a special to do list on a post and put the Halloween stuff their.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
We could also possibly make two separate batches: one for this week and one specifically for Halloween stuff we're gonna get tomorrow. Plus if we have to wait until the middle of next week before submitting the batch(es), that's fine. I know sometimes in the MB forum a batch will be put on hold if lots of stuff is going on.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Goku Black
I think two batches is the best way to go. We can submit at different times. I don't think anyone will mind.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
I would concur. Good thinking!
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Except Septimus probably WOULD mind. He's particular about CM stuff only going on Tuesdays.
Goku Black
So we could delay the Halloween batches submission by a bit till maybe next week where that stuff gets submitted.
Edited by miraculous on Oct 30th 2020 at 4:01:09 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Hmm, maybe. As long as there's not a super big batch next week.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
to Count Vlad Tepesh Dracula.
Yes to the Stranger, Dracula, Nash, and Ivo Sandor.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."