TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Go To

During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

     Previous Post 
Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#234351: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:14:03 AM

Maybe this a mandela effect, but wasn’t Jenna Zan Arbor already approved?

[down][down] oh okay

Edited by nwotyzal on Oct 30th 2020 at 7:23:03 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#234353: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:19:32 AM

That post is asking for a removal and honestly makes a good case for it.

Wat tambor...issue is this is formatted badly and is nothing but a wall of text. It's near impossible to read

Edited by Lightysnake on Oct 30th 2020 at 7:22:14 AM

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#234354: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:22:06 AM

Can't read the Star Wars cut post, please put some linebreaks in. If you have smart quotes turned on, the quote coding doesn't work. You can tell it's turned off because the quotes will be straight instead of curled

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#234355: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:24:17 AM

[up][up]for Janna, not really familiar with Legends, but I’m gonna ask my brother who is, and see if she can be cut.

Edited by nwotyzal on Oct 30th 2020 at 7:24:33 AM

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#234356: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:24:46 AM

Alright! I made the Jenna Zan Arbor removal proposal more readable now! Sorry about my initial mistake but this is the very first time I am posting here!

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#234357: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:34:37 AM

[up] With that, she seems like a cut to me

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#234358: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:35:03 AM

[up][up][up][up] Heck, I did NOT know you could change that in Word. That's VERY good to know.

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#234359: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:35:14 AM

Cut Jenna Zan Arbor.

Edited by falcontalons on Oct 30th 2020 at 7:35:32 AM

Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#234360: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:39:55 AM

Cut Zan Arbor.

Check out my current fanfiction project.
ATricksterArtist Back from the grave. from CH 57 (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Back from the grave.
#234361: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:42:25 AM

[up][up][up]I'm still trying to figure out how to do it on Google Docs. >_<

Snip-snip for Zan Arbor.

How's your day been?
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#234362: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:47:04 AM

Wat could you format that. I have no clue what your saying.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#234363: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:48:02 AM

I'll say cut as well.

Critica, We have a perennial problem with people suddenly deciding every entry needs to be randomly lengthened because "A big writeup is a happy writeup! :D". Never is any logic of merit put into the reasoning and it seems to suggest cramming in words for the point of it when we literally just had to get someone to trim the SAO stuff when it was pointlessly lengthy. Don't be a dick to Lighty cuz of his writing style, he gets the point across and his entries aren't shittily constructed.

Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#234364: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:50:34 AM

[up] If you say so. I'll come back to this if I have a specific problem with one of the writeups, but the general style is fine.

Check out my current fanfiction project.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#234365: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:52:20 AM

Yeah, if you have a SPECIFIC problem, that's one thing.

Amusingly, Lighty's also responsible for one of our LONGEST writeups (Valkorion/Vitiate).

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#234366: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:52:28 AM

Okay I read the proposal and so I'd say remove Jenna. Seems she did feel bad for what happened.

Huh weird her ep doesnt mention this barring the killing of the son but leaves out her feeling bad.

Edited by miraculous on Oct 30th 2020 at 7:55:09 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#234367: Oct 30th 2020 at 8:00:43 AM

[tdown]Arbor

[up]god fucking dammit

[down]misclicked

Edited by nwotyzal on Oct 30th 2020 at 8:13:27 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#234368: Oct 30th 2020 at 8:02:36 AM

Wait why are you voting yes ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#234369: Oct 30th 2020 at 8:08:50 AM

nwot, Stay focused please.

ACW, Hilariously he's (I believe) our longest entry for a CM while also listed as The Scrappy (someone was trying a bit too hard to make him evil?)

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#234370: Oct 30th 2020 at 8:09:21 AM

Welcome to the thread, Wat. Just for the future, when suggesting a cut, we generally quote the write up in the post suggesting the cut.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#234371: Oct 30th 2020 at 8:14:33 AM

@43 I know, I’m just frustrated whenever something like that is overlooked.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#234372: Oct 30th 2020 at 8:14:33 AM

Not necessarily, they did a good job listing pros and cons.

Edited by 43110 on Oct 30th 2020 at 11:15:12 AM

TiMBer1566 kittykat from Virginia Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
kittykat
#234373: Oct 30th 2020 at 8:17:31 AM

Well, I've officially been alive for 19 years now. If my mother had held me in for a couple more hours, I would've been born on my favorite holiday.

In celebration, I'm doing an EP for a Korean horror movie I saw last night that was recommended to me by a friend.

What's the work?

The Wailing is a 2016 Korean horror film. A small village is plague by an unknown disease that appears as a terrible rash, driving the infected into a killing frenzy, murdering their own families, and eventually dying themselves.

This movie already has a keeper in the shaman Ill-Gwang, today we will be focusing on the other antagonist of the film.

Who is the Japanese stranger? What does he do?

The Japanese man is a stranger from Japan who lives alone in the mountain next to the village that the film takes place in. He is rumored to be a ghost who goes out into the wild to feed animals, and any traveler unfortunate enough to spot him. In public, he poses as a fisherman, and apparently molested a young woman, and quite possibly raped her.

When protagonist Jong-Goo investigates into the plague, he is leaded to the stranger's house. When searching through the house, Jong-Goo's partner finds multiple photographs of the people that were murdered, as well as some of their belongings, among them is the shoe of Jong-Goo's daughter. When his daughter starts to become infected with the plague, Jong-Goo threatens the stranger into leaving the village, and beats the stranger's guard dog to near-death when it attacks him. The stranger than finds a dead person in a truck that was killed by the plague. That night he performs a strange ritual seemingly to revive the dead man as a zombie of sorts.

When Jong-Goo and his friends head up to the stranger's house to kill him, the stranger sets the zombie loose on them to kill them. When that fails, the stranger flees. The stranger is supposed killed, and Jong-Goo's daughter has apparently gotten better, and everything seems to be looking fine. Only.... the stranger is in fact not dead. The stranger is in fact working with the shaman Ill-Gwang in spreading the plague throughout the village and had personally infected Jong-Goo's daughter with it. When the church deacon confronts the stranger in a cave, he accuses the man of being a demon, but says that if the stranger proves him wrong, he'll leave him in peace. The stranger laughs sinisterly and says that he has no intention of letting the deacon leave. He takes photographs of the deacon and transforms into his true demonic form, and cackles at the deacon's fear. While the deacon's fate isn't shown, it's all but stated that the demon killed him.

In a deleted ending that takes place after the conclusion of the story, the Japanese man sits on a bench by the roadside, and tries to lure a child into his clutches, until the kid is picked up by her mother before she reaches him. Il-Gwang than arrives to pick up the stranger, presumably to start a new reign of terror in another village.

Mitigating factors?

You might be able to interpret him being shaken up when Jong-Goo beats his guard dog, but this is ultimately rendered hollow when rather than putting the poor thing out of it's misery, he just lets the dying dog get picked apart by crows.

Other than that, zilch.

Heinousness

Honestly, if you ask me, the demon is just as culpable for all the terrible events in the story as Il-Gwang. In fact, Il-Gwang is stated to be a mere pawn of the demon.

Final Verdict

Up to you to decide.

Edited by TiMBer1566 on Oct 30th 2020 at 8:18:29 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#234374: Oct 30th 2020 at 8:19:48 AM

[tup]Demon dude

Happy birthday timber. Man everyone here is young.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#234375: Oct 30th 2020 at 8:22:45 AM

[tup]stranger (happy birthday Timber)


Total posts: 326,048
Top