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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#233204: Oct 21st 2020 at 11:25:54 AM

[tup] Carnage.

Reserving Raya and the Last Dragon if that's okay with everyone.

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#233205: Oct 21st 2020 at 11:33:53 AM

[tup] Carnage and Loa

As for Laibach, how much of a say does he have on the Master's crimes?

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#233206: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:07:19 PM

Yes to Ramirez, the Loa, and Carnage

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#233207: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:20:56 PM

[tup] to the Loa Spirit.

@nwotyzal: Technically, it is a Big Bad Duumvirate between the symbiote and Kasady, but the latter is the one who corrupts the symbiote into adopting his sadistic mindset and the symbiote loses said mindset as soon as it's free from its host, so the real Big Bad is Kasady. Sorry that I forgot to answer the question earlier.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#233208: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:21:20 PM

Geeze, Cletus corrupting the symbiote. That's new I think.

[down] I stand corrected.

Edited by ACW on Oct 21st 2020 at 3:27:03 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#233209: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:25:00 PM

Uh not really. When kassidy was first infected by venom's offspring it gained his sadistic personality. Symbiotes are influenced by their hosts. It's why venom is more sane when he's possessing spider man and flash thompson rather then Eddie Brock or Mac gargan who bring out the worst in him.

[up]A nuance that's removed from a lot of adaptations is the fact that the influence goes both ways.

Edited by miraculous on Oct 21st 2020 at 12:41:51 PM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#233210: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:39:41 PM

Yes to Carnage and the Loa spirit. Abstain on Laibach for the moment.

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#233211: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:51:30 PM

[tup] Loa Spirit

Alright, time for an easier candidate from a movie that has also been on my mind.

What Is the Work?

Wolf Devil Woman is a 1982 Taiwanese martial arts horror fantasy movie that’s really, really weird. Like, really weird. It was directed and written by Ling Chang, who also stars in the movie as the title character and her flashback mother.

After a mother and father escape a twisted pack with their newborn daughter, they’re surrounded by the pack leader’s men. Mortally wounded, they cause an avalanche by banging their heads against the snowy ground. The newborn daughter survives, having been found by a wolf. The wolf rescues her and feeds her the magical ginseng root, which grants her powers. Now an adult raised by wolves, the girl, now known as Snowflower, is out to kill the man who murdered her parents, with the help of Lee, his comic relief pal Wong, and their Master Chu.

Who Is He?

The Blue Devil (accidentally called Red Devil in one scene), the evil brother of Master Chu, is a cackling, demonic sorcerer who seeks to be the king of the world.

What has he done?

Starting the movie by putting somebody on a cross and using a voodoo clay doll to kill them for ritualistic sacrifice, Blue Devil witnesses two parents and their baby daughter escape the ritual. Since nobody escapes his cult alive, Blue Devil sends his men out to kill the three, succeeding in killing the parents, but not the baby.

Regularly sending his men out to kill innocents over the next 20 years, Blue Devil promises to kill a Master Hiu and his men if they don’t give him the amulet and white root, which he’ll use in his plan to rule the world “forever.” He later has Lee captured and converted into one of his servants (though since Lee has the amulet in his hair, he’s not affected by his spells).

Blue Devil also has the bodies of the warriors who refused to submit to him stored in his throne room. He had killed them all, then stuck their voodoo clay dolls with a golden needle that kept them alive, but frozen in time. Basically, they’re his zombie army, which he’ll use to help him conquer the world.

During his final battle with Snowflower, Lee, and Wong, Blue Devil sends his zombies out to kill them. But he’s soon caught on fire thanks to a ritual that involves Lee shooting a golden arrow into his statue. In a last ditch effort to survive, Blue Devil transforms into Lee’s deceased father, all in an attempt to get Lee to save his life. But suddenly Master Chu arrives to tell him that Blue Devil has the power to shapeshift, and that he killed his father long ago. Blue Devil promptly dies from the fire, turning into a cartoony ash outline of himself.

Redeeming Qualities?

Zilch. Doesn’t even care for his own men, only valuing them as warriors for his cause.

Heinousness?

Main villain, settles it.

Conclusion

Easy enough keep I feel.

Edited by therealjackieboy on Oct 21st 2020 at 12:52:08 PM

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MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#233212: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:53:30 PM

[tup] to Rico Ramirez, Cletus Kasady, the Loa and the Blue Devil.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#233215: Oct 21st 2020 at 1:02:30 PM

[tup] Blue Devil.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#233216: Oct 21st 2020 at 1:03:39 PM

[tup]Blue Devil.

Why so serious?
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#233219: Oct 21st 2020 at 1:13:58 PM

[tup]devil

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#233221: Oct 21st 2020 at 1:29:41 PM

[tup]Cletus Kasady, the Loa and the Blue Devil.

I think that I’ll Laibach a tentative [tup]. He seem heinous just enough to stand out

Edited by G-Editor on Oct 20th 2020 at 10:30:41 PM

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nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#233222: Oct 21st 2020 at 1:33:28 PM

[tup]Loa and Blue Devil

Abstain on Laibach, mainly cause I’m not sure if he’s heinous enough.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#233223: Oct 21st 2020 at 2:44:13 PM

Also looking at the CM pending write-up page I dont see Dead Eye Ell from SAO on there despite her being having 7 [tup]s and 0 [tdown]s and we dont count abstains against candidates. Did she already get an write-up or am I missing something else?

Edited by G-Editor on Oct 20th 2020 at 11:47:09 PM

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#233224: Oct 21st 2020 at 2:45:21 PM

Maybe snowy hasnt written her up yet ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP

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