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Edited by nombretomado on Mar 31st 2020 at 8:15:08 AM

Oct 17th 2020 at 1:39:06 PM

Why Lotso need to be removed?

Here is the updated and reduced version of Josiane's entry, which I couldn't reduce any further than that.

A Dona do Pedaço: Josiane Sobral is the elitist and sociopathic Maria da Paz's daughter, who hates her own mother for being a cake maker. She begins by stealing her to get money for her desire to be a digital influencer and sabotaging the cake factory's production, ordering his cousin to burn down the stock. At the same time, she begins an affair with her mother's fiance and kills a butler and his boyfriend when the two discover and blackmail her. Convincing her mother to put the entire property in her name, after factory production has been sabotaged, she takes everything from her, including the cake factory, and throws her out of the house. She tries to murder her boyfriend when he finds out she is a murderer, butchering him with an ice pick, even though he promises not to report her for really loving her, and tries to kill him again in the hospital when he finds out that he survived. And when the company with which she had a digital influencer contract fired her for not bringing a return, she threatens to kill her photographer. Being sent to jail, Josiane pretends to have redeemed herself in order to have her sentence reduced, becoming evangelical. But in the end, she kills her mother's ex-fiancé (who in fact converted and wanted to marry her) in order to marry with a richer man, proving that she never redeemed herself and that she is nothing more than a sociopath capable of anything to achieve what she want.

MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 17th 2020 at 2:02:52 PM

[up][up]Not Losto’s entry as a whole, but the link to his cut character page.

Cautious [tup] to Sam/Controller, but will also check the series out for myself to see. I know Night Mind has a review/analysis of it, but I have not watched that either.

Edited by MasterN on Oct 17th 2020 at 2:03:09 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
WarJay77 :D from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
:D
Oct 17th 2020 at 2:03:51 PM

[up] Night Mind is who taught me about the series, actually.

Edit: Addition moved to a new post for visibility's sake

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 17th 2020 at 5:14:21 AM

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ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Oct 17th 2020 at 2:10:32 PM

Shit, I should probably fix that on the Disney page too.

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HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
Oct 17th 2020 at 2:10:58 PM

[tup] Orson, Lamashtu, Silent Witness duo.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
miraculous The white haired vampire from South Africa
The white haired vampire
Oct 17th 2020 at 2:11:19 PM

Cute Is Evil for his name instead then ?

"I'm going to turn this hell back to what it used to be."
WarJay77 :D from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
:D
Oct 17th 2020 at 2:14:51 PM

Also, weird question: Is it possible for a character from a work-within-a-work to count? See, I'm planning to rewatch The Call of Warr tonight. The villain from Warr doesn't actually count; he's a crazy mass-murderer who got one of the heroes possessed by a demon, but his motivations were fundamentally rooted in the desire to do good; he's Obliviously Evil.

However, Warr has a funny quirk, and that's that it comes with an internal work featured at the end- "Undercover Soldier", an Action Movie script written by one of the main characters (in-universe; it was actually fan-written in reality). The villain of "Undercover Soldier" might actually count; I'm not positive since it's been ages since I watched the thing, but let's say they do. Would it matter at all that, in-universe, "Undercover Soldier" is a work of fiction written by one of the characters? It has a ton of unique tropes and is a full-length work. They read the entire script in the final episode, and it was written as a fan project, so it's not entirely fictional to the universe of Warr. It's practically a fanfic, but one that got incorporated into the universe of Warr.

So...how would it work? If I end up thinking that the villain of "Undercover Soldier" counts, is it negated by the fact that he comes from a work-within-a-work, or does the unique status of "Undercover Soldier" benefit it here?

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ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Oct 17th 2020 at 2:18:28 PM

[up][up] I'm thinking of Vile Villain, Saccharine Show, and we don' need Big Bad; there's Toy Story - Sunnyside Daycare Toys. So:

  • Toy Story 3: Lots-o'-Huggin' Bear is the ruler of Sunnyside Daycare, and oppresses the other toys through brute force and violence. Originally the favorite toy of a young girl named Daisy, Lotso was mistakenly lost and replaced, leading him to believe that all toys were worthless and unloved. Taking over Sunnyside, Lotso subjects the toys in the Caterpillar Room to horrid mistreatment from the younger children. When Andy's toys request that they be relocated to the Butterfly Room, Lotso resets Buzz Lightyear and has him beat down his friends, showing a cold satisfaction while doing so. When Woody frees the toys and they attempt to escape, Lotso has Chatter Telephone beaten in order to get him to explain Woody's escape plan before ordering the toys disposed of in the dumpster. When his minions turn on him and he is taken to the dump, along with Andy's toys, he abandons them to burn to death in the incinerator, ignoring that they had previously saved his life. While he has a tragic backstory, Woody himself calls him out on how weak it is, stating that Lotso had abandoned her, not the other way around. Sociopathic and misanthropic, Lotso may have appeared innocent, but was depraved at his core.

[up] I'm thinking that's fine. We have Garrard.

Edited by ACW on Oct 17th 2020 at 5:20:12 AM

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MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 17th 2020 at 2:52:35 PM

We do have The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel‘s Garrard from an in-game novel, so yes.

[up][nja]

Edited by MasterN on Oct 17th 2020 at 2:52:53 AM

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CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
WarJay77 :D from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
:D
Oct 17th 2020 at 3:22:48 PM

Ah, cool. There's a precedent. Well, if he fits, I'll do an EP later.

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Oct 17th 2020 at 3:56:14 PM

Okay. Veran EP later tonight. After that, I’ll do my writeup drafts.

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Oct 17th 2020 at 4:16:48 PM

If Veran DOES count, I believe that'd be the third, after the original and manga.

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GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere.
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Oct 17th 2020 at 4:27:59 PM

[up] Didn't Critica mention that it wasn't the same Veran?

The more money we come across, the more problems we see.
43110 You should start singing for yourself now. from Mars Relationship Status: Abstaining
You should start singing for yourself now.
Oct 17th 2020 at 4:48:39 PM

All ACW said was that it'd be the third version to be listed. He wasn't questioning anything.

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ShinyCottonCandy Yo-yoshi! LEGO-shi! from LEGO Yoshi's Island Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Yo-yoshi! LEGO-shi!
Oct 17th 2020 at 4:55:03 PM

Hey guys, sorry for bringing this up after the thread has moved past it, but I just saw the Crash Bandicoot 4 entry added and I wanted to remind you not to use exclamation points to differentiate versions of characters.

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miraculous The white haired vampire from South Africa
The white haired vampire
Oct 17th 2020 at 4:56:01 PM

Oh yeah those aren't allowed to be used on the wiki.

"I'm going to turn this hell back to what it used to be."
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Oct 17th 2020 at 4:56:19 PM

... that's a thing we shouldn't do?

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ShinyCottonCandy Yo-yoshi! LEGO-shi! from LEGO Yoshi's Island Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Yo-yoshi! LEGO-shi!
Oct 17th 2020 at 4:57:18 PM

It's not the way it's always been, but that's the current policy.

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Oct 17th 2020 at 4:59:24 PM

Can I make a request for the Warhammer Monster page?

I would like to add a picture for the 40K folder and move Nagash's picture under the WHFantasy folder. Figure the series are separate enough to do so.

I nominate either this picture of Abaddon the Despoiler or this one.

Edited by krimzonflygon2 on Oct 17th 2020 at 4:59:36 AM

Our children are our future. How's that for Nightmare Fuel?
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Oct 17th 2020 at 5:02:14 PM

I don't know if we should have more than 1 image.

But damn do I love that first Abaddon image.

EDIT: Hey, I was able to upload it without screwing up the quality:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/abaddon_8.jpg
"I am the Arch-fiend, the Despoiler of Worlds, and by my hands shall the false Emperor fall."

Shall I take it to Image-Pickin'? It looks better quality-wise than the current one, plus this allows us to have a quote from Fantasy Battle and an image from 40k.

Edited by ACW on Oct 17th 2020 at 8:04:22 AM

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Oct 17th 2020 at 5:03:55 PM

[up] It's that both continuities are under their own folders: if they weren't the page would end up looking kind of messy, but if both are under folders and both folders end up with their own picture...

Edit: Sure. Maybe this could work for the caption: I am the Arch-fiend, the Despoiler of Worlds, and by my hands shall the false Emperor fall.

It's not TOO over-the-top visceral evil as Nagash's quote, but the Card-Carrying Villain-ness of it should suffice.

Edited by krimzonflygon2 on Oct 17th 2020 at 5:07:49 AM

Our children are our future. How's that for Nightmare Fuel?
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Oct 17th 2020 at 5:05:19 PM

Shoot, that's a good point. I'm fine with that if everyone else is, but either way, that Abaddon image is going SOMEWHERE, whether adding/replacing the one on the franchise page, or just to the main image page.

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miraculous The white haired vampire from South Africa
The white haired vampire
Oct 17th 2020 at 5:05:51 PM

In okay with it personally.

"I'm going to turn this hell back to what it used to be."

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