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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#231927: Oct 8th 2020 at 3:47:29 PM

Abstain on Krieger.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#231928: Oct 8th 2020 at 4:18:53 PM

Fatman...ugh. Fuck Mel Gibson. Yet sadly if Machete Kills Again in Space ever comes out, I'll probably see it.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#231929: Oct 8th 2020 at 4:18:54 PM

Given that this show seems intended for kids and has a pretty low heinousness standard, I'll give a very slight [tup] to Lieutenant Garrison "General Blitz" Krieger/Dr. Garret Stromm.

Accoridng to my search results, this was first brought up in January 2020, long before I participated on this thread, but if this topic was brought up when I was a participant, I apoloyize for missing this.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#231930: Oct 8th 2020 at 4:18:55 PM

Krieger's still up? My vote is what it was last time; cut him.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#231931: Oct 8th 2020 at 4:23:10 PM

Uh Cut Krieger. Bad but pretty every other Bad guy in the animated section for gi joe is worse then this showing he's not quite as bad as he could have been even with the work aimed at kids.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#231932: Oct 8th 2020 at 4:24:40 PM

Cut Krieger

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
WoodsyGrabass2019 Since: Jun, 2019 Relationship Status: In love with love
#231933: Oct 8th 2020 at 4:26:27 PM

Can I make a request to edit the entry for Wild Bill? It's a minor nitpick, but I just feel like the placing of one the periods makes it feel...disconnected with the rest of the paragraph.

I think "a Psychopathic Manchild" should be deleted and changed as the character's pothole.

Edited by WoodsyGrabass2019 on Oct 8th 2020 at 11:35:43 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#231934: Oct 8th 2020 at 5:11:01 PM

Can go either way on Krieger, but prefer to keep.

Anicomicgeek Burning MireGoji from Japan (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Burning MireGoji
#231935: Oct 8th 2020 at 5:14:30 PM

I was checking out Monster.Marvel Animation. According to the page, entries are supposed to be set by release date — yet Avengers Confidential: Black Widow & Punisher, released 2014, is listed before the 2013 released Iron Man: Rise of Technovore and is in fact a sequel to that movie.

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Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#231936: Oct 8th 2020 at 5:23:33 PM

Got another Call of Cthulhu setting to cover—this 'un is from Reign of Terror, the local French Revolution module. Two candidates; I'll cover the first, the Comte Fenalik.

Who is Fenalik? What has he done?

A wealthy German nobleman, Fenalik is also secretly a vampire who's existed since 330 AD. In possession of an artifact that allows him to walk freely in the sun, Fenalik uses his noble status to slake his appetite—both his literal one and his unending taste for sadism. Fenalik freely gorges himself on the population of France, initiating the campaign by brutally killing a family of four and scrawling "KNOW YOUR PLACE" on the wall with their blood. This family is far from Fenalik's first victims. Digging deeper and eventually investigating his mansion reveals Fenalik's cruelties are myriad.

Fenalik has his own servants tortured for any reason he can think of and always stays to watch them suffer, as he relishes it. In one case Fenalik deliberately jostled a young boy serving him to make the boy spill his drink; the ensuing flogging outright killed the boy. Fenalik even has an enormous torture cellar underneath is mansion which is clogged with dozens of maimed corpses, the backwall arranged with a tableau of mangled bodies.

When not feeding on or torturing people to death for his own pleasure, Fenalik arranges massive parties; in one case, Fenalik has a large group of guests subjected to eldritch music which drives everyone listening into such madness the entire room slaughters itself. Fenalik is the only survivor in the room, dancing and playing and lapping up the blood of the innocent.

Any mitigating factors?

Zip and zilch. Only thing to note, of course, is the standard—Fenalik is one of the two nastiest in the French Revolution setting of Call of Cthulhu. The other guy, Rigault, is a nasty son of a bitch who tries to sacrifice over ten-thousand people to the guillotine, but he's notably lacking in the insane sadism Fenalik has. We get well enough of an onscreen body count and a pattern set to pass Fenalik along.

Conclusion?

Keeper.*

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#231938: Oct 8th 2020 at 5:25:33 PM

[tup]Fenalik

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#231940: Oct 8th 2020 at 5:28:19 PM

Cut Krieger.

[tup] Fenalik

It's Spooky Month!
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#231943: Oct 8th 2020 at 6:12:11 PM

And now...Citizen Rigault.

Who is Rigault?

Doctor Lucien Rigault, a seeming ally of our intrepid investigators who sends them on the trail of Fenalik for the betterment of old Paris. Rigault is a man of the people, revolted by the horrific treatment of the common people by the nobility. Or so it appears.

Rigault has delved into the blackest reaches of infinity and has become aware of Azathoth itself, the highest level of god in the Cthulhu mythos, the Blind Idiot God. Seeking to transcend humanity and make himself 'The Supreme Being,' Rigault manipulates the heroes into going against and destroying Fenalik to get his mitts on the vampire's eldritch knowledge. See, Rigault, after murder and sacrifice, has found out a way to become supreme: sacrifice. Mass sacrifice. you need 10,000 in a highly specific form of ritual. It's not even feasible to get this done in one's lifetime...except...

Rigault manipulates the Commission for Public Safety into starting the Reign of Terror, having transformed Madam Guillotine herself into his sacrificial altar. Thanks to Rigault, thousands and thousands of innocents are sent to the guillotine, countless innocents in the Terror with Rigault's guiding hand in place...and by the end? He's nearing the magic number. The heroes find a way to sabotage this, but the only way it's possible is for one to disrupt the ritual with their own sacrifice to pollute the altar. If it goes through, Azathoth will be summoned into a crowd of Parisians, which'll kill them or render them insane in a fate worse than death...Rigault? will seize the power to ascend to godhood.

Now, the sabotage of the ritual ruins Rigault's plans and he snaps against the Investigators, who kill him and save Paris with Azathoth still showing up...with Rigault dead, though, the Investigators have some explaining to do as to why they killed a man in broad daylight and most of Paris not remembering the advent of the Outer god. It's highly likely the adventure ends with them following their comrade to the Guillotine...

Heinousness?

This is its own setting and just like the sadistic Fenalik, Rigault is well over the line. He starts the Reign of Terror to kill 10,000 in one spot and is willing to wipe Paris out. Yeah, pass.

Mitigating Qualities?

None. Rigault is just in for himself. No good intentions like the Commission, just a cultist specifically trying to seize godhood.

Conclusion?

Easy yes.

Edited by Lightysnake on Oct 8th 2020 at 6:12:45 AM

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#231945: Oct 8th 2020 at 6:15:05 PM

[tup]rigault

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#231946: Oct 8th 2020 at 6:15:18 PM

And a [tup] for Rigault.

It's Spooky Month!
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#231947: Oct 8th 2020 at 6:18:23 PM

[tup] to Fenalik and Rigault. Keep Krieger, if just barely.

RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#231948: Oct 8th 2020 at 6:38:12 PM

Morning everyone.

Is it weird that over here, even my laptop is acting up and refusing to start? TF's going on?

[tup] Fenalik, Rigault

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#231949: Oct 8th 2020 at 6:54:25 PM

[tup] to Comte Fenalik and Doctor Lucien Rigault.

@WoodsyGrabass2019: I'd be fine with those eidts.

@Anicomicgeek: That correction can be made when ACW, the curator of this thread, makes a sandbox to fix the placement of those works. Thank you for pointing this out.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#231950: Oct 8th 2020 at 6:54:59 PM

[tup]Fenalik & Rigault (I can no longer think of Call of Cthulhu without thinking of Lawn Gnomes)

Edited by nwotyzal on Oct 8th 2020 at 6:55:11 AM


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