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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#231126: Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:04:57 AM

Yes to the Good Shepard.

The music stuff will all be cut next week, so someone please make a list.

I'll reiterate that I think the Hip Hop Comics stuff is fine.

Edited by ACW on Oct 2nd 2020 at 3:06:12 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#231127: Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:48:51 AM

[tup]shepard

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#231128: Oct 2nd 2020 at 2:09:10 AM

[tup] Good Shepard.

Edited by emperors on Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:09:17 AM

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ccorb from A very hot place Since: May, 2020 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#231131: Oct 2nd 2020 at 4:18:48 AM

Perfect caption for that Miller image: "I'm Dr Henry Miller, and I'm going to teach you all what you failed to learn the first time I slaughtered each and every one of you."

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#231132: Oct 2nd 2020 at 4:58:51 AM

Cut Phantom Lord. [tup] Good Shepherd, which is entirely inaccurate. Also, today is the day where Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time, which I’m EXTREMELY excited for and thus, to avoid spoilers, I’ll be taking a small break from the thread to play the game. I'll let you all know when I'm finished.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#231134: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:59:23 AM

[tup]Good Shepherd

Here is something i reread and decided to give a chance

What is the Work?

Neo Devilman is one of the many spin-offs to Devilman series, consisted of 18 chapters, each is written and drawn by different person and each contain self-contained story. Most revolve around different Devilmen or people during or before demons attacked humanity and delivering a different perspective of an outsider to Devilman's actions and the final war on Earth.

My candidate comes from chapter 6, which is called "Damned", which tells a story of a demon, who was imprisoned by a Devilman Monk (who was fused with four different demons mind you) hundreds of years ago and he was convinced by demons to track down and have his revenge on Devilman, since he hated Amon. Here comes one of the demons, who was fused with that Devilman Monk and a clear Expy of Jinmen - Genbu.

Who is Genbu?

One of the four demons, who was fused with the Monk, who used by him to seal off the dangerous "Hero" of demonkind Damubo, Genbu was imprisoned alongside the other three demons in Monk's dead body in the prison with Damubo for hudreds of years, before Psycho Jenny awakened Damubo, resulting in Genbu, along with the other demons convincing Damubo to merge with them to separate him in three bodies for the other 3 demons to inhabit (which also destroyed a temple full of monks, who guarded Damubo's body), while Genbu himself used dead Devilman Monk's skull as a foundation for his body, from which he grows to full size and goes to Japan to hunt for Devilman.

Arriving there, Genbu goes to a store, where he devoured everyone inside, imprisoning them in his shell, where they are trapped to suffer for eternity, only for additional agony they are rotting down to their bones on his shell and still stying alive, making it a little more horryfic than even what Jinmen did to his victims. Talking about how tasty humans are, Genbu declares that he never tasted the Devilman and intends to correct that by going on a hunt for Akira.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

None.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

In addition to Jinmen-like crimes of sadistically devouring innocent people and trapping them in his shell to suffer for eternity, additional horror to his deeds adds the fact that people literally rot on his shell down to their bones and still stay alive and feel everything (including the decation of their bodies), check the last two linked pages in the EP to see it for yourselves. Also he is assisted Damubo in freeing himself, which resulted in deaths of many monks in the temple.

Final Verdict?

What do you think?

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:06:01 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#231136: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:15:01 AM

Yes to the Jinmen expy. Karma Houdini?

Also, those last 2 links don't work.

Also also, where will he go on the page? I guess before Lady, since it's a spinoff of the original?

Oh, Lighty, you still doing Grimoire? I'm reading it myself either (fairly short, lots of sex and violence as is typical for a Nagai work [lol]), but if you're doing it fine; if not I can take care of any candidates.

Edited by ACW on Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:17:16 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#231137: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:23:29 AM

The Chapter ends with him starting his hunt for Devilmen and then he didn't appeared anywhere since.

And yeah, i think he should go before Devilman Lady.

About the links, strange, they open fine to me, but here are alternative links to the pages:

1

2

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:30:24 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#231138: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:44:46 AM

[tup]Genbu

Btw something I want to bring up that got forgotten. Reginald birch of assassin's creed's entry mentions this part He also has Haytham uncover technology from the First Civilization, knowing full well the kind of destruction that they bring, all so he could use them to rule the world. Didn't we determine the bolded part isn't true as no sources indicate that. So shouldn't that Part be removed from his entry.

Edited by miraculous on Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:45:27 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#231139: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:47:37 AM

[tup] to Genbu.

[up] If that part is false, then it should be removed.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#231140: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:00:28 AM

[tup] to the Good Shepherd and Genbu. And yeah, cut Phantom Lord.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#231141: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:05:50 AM

Yeah to Genbu, I'll probably be back later today but I'm still getting frustrated looking at the drawing out yesterday of something that could have been settled by reading the damn rules. Gonna take a while longer off... this is like the third time I've seen it happen this year.

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#231142: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:32:50 AM

[tup] Genbu.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#231143: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:52:13 AM

Yes to Genbu.

ACW: I like the caption for the Miller image.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:53:07 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#231144: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:56:55 AM

Sorry I took so long on this. Anyway:

  • Playing With Letters and A Sweet Typing Thrill: Noel Strife is a calculating Serial Killer with hundreds of victims to his name. Antisocial and violent from an early age, Noel began his spree by abducting and killing a baby. Later, he brought many victims to a hotel room where he murdered them. Bored with his usual routine, he wrote out confessions to his crimes and locked them up for a detective to unlock them through disturbing riddles, attacking and wounding him before faking his own death. He leads the detective to the hotel that was the site for many of his killings, hoping to meet him in one final confrontation and making him into his disciple.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#231145: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:26:04 AM

As my mood improves I notice Proctor's entry hasn't been updated to reflect that his continued experiments weren't actually a Rogue Agent move, as he was a scapegoat for the ASA rather than not sanctioned. At the same time his entry's quite lengthy so I'm gonna propose a shortening.

Current:

  • Season 1: The racist, revolting Martin Proctor is the man in charge of the Freeland operations of the sinister ASA. On his own, he restarts a vaccine program with a high mortality rate due to how it can potentially enslave innocent African-Americans and create superpowered pawns. Repackaging it into a drug and circulating it throughout the city to target teenagers with an epidemic of death following, those who develop superpowers are taken for experimentation. When Proctor goes up against his rival Gambi, he has a subordinate force Gambi's surrender by holding a large crowd at gunpoint and is flatly disappointed he can't massacre them when Gambi surrenders. Proctor proceeds to betray and try to kill his ally, crime lord Tobias Whale, while also framing hero Jefferson Pierce as a drug user, not caring if his men kill anyone in the way. When his plans fail, Proctor shores up his losses and intends to take the surviving teens to perform hideous experiments on them to his heart's content, even trying to blackmail Jefferson into giving him a genetic sample by threatening to kill his family. A twisted, racist madman who cares nothing for the damage he does, Proctor is only too glad to condemn thousands of innocent young black men to death, justifying himself with the worst racist rhetoric.

Suggested:

  • Season 1: The racist, revolting Martin Proctor is the man in charge of the Freeland operations of the sinister ASA. Repackaging a dangerous vaccine as a drug to circulate within his city to create an army of superpowered pawns, Proctor's plans lead to an epidemic of death while he takes the survivors in for experimentation. Forcing his rival Gambi into surrendering to him by holding a crowd at gunpoint, Proctor expresses sadistic disappointment at Gambi's surrender forcing him to spare their lives. Seeking to ruin hero Jefferson Pierce's reputation, Proctor allows his men to kill any in their way as they please and when his plans fall apart, aims to take the surviving teens from his experiments with him to continue his abominable operations on.

Thoughts?

Edited by 43110 on Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:26:41 PM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#231146: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:31:27 AM

[tup]Genbu and Proctor rewrite.

It's Spooky Month!
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#231147: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:33:49 AM

In a vacuum the Looker's entry's fine but I can redo it as well if people find it odd a two episode villain's now got a longer entry than the first season's villain.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#231148: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:50:18 AM

[tup] to the Martin Proctor rewrite.

[up] If you want to rewrite it and it makes Looker's entry more concise, I'm cool with that.

Edited by DrUnknown on Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:51:27 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#231149: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:51:44 AM

Here's what I've got if people are down:

  • The Looker, a racist metahuman with the power to control minds, enslaves the white population of South Freeland as her "Sange". When called out for her hypocrisy of claiming to have saved the town from a drug epidemic by her mind control being far worse, she casually murders him for questioning her. Viciously prejudiced, the Looker has her slaves hunt down and lynch the town's black population and stops at nothing to hunt down the children of a Sange to ensnare them in her racist, subservient cult.

Her current:

  • "The Perdi" & "The Sange": The Looker is a metahuman who lords over South Freeland, and an Arc Villain in season 2. Having been exposed to the ASA vaccine 30 years prior, she developed the powers to emanate a mysterious metallic substance known as the Element, which she uses to enslave the white population of South Freeland to join her Hive Mind as Sange. Despite her self-serving belief that she "saved" the town from a drug epidemic, one of her slaves counters that her assimilation is far worse than the drugs; she counters by cruelly murdering him. With the town under her control, the black population—the Perdi—is forced to hide out in the woods, lest the Sange lynch them and hang them from trees. When Anaya, a Perdi, has twin babies with Deacon, a Sange, Looker stops at nothing to capture these babies to be part of her control. Cruel, racist, and self-centered, Looker desired to maintain total dominance over South Freeland, by the most violent means imaginable.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#231150: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:54:26 AM

[up] I like the rewrite better; it's less clunky and gets to the point quicker than the original.


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