During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
- Vampire: The Masquerade: The Tzimisce Methuselah Yorak, one of the childer of the Tzimisce Antediluvian and one of the eldest members of his insidious clan, takes the vileness inherent to the Path of Metamorphosis to its highest level. Freely turning entire families into tortured slaves and experimenting on innocent lives, Yorak is responsible for the cultivation of one of the Tzimisce's most ghastly projects: the Cathedral of Flesh, a masterpiece of Human Architecture Horror comprised of hundreds of thousands Yorak has personally melded into a single, labyrinthine building. Yorak has tended and added to the building for centuries, leaving most victims comprising the ghastly structure hideously aware of their state for all those centuries, manifesting such suffering that the Cathedral formed a gestalt consciousness and finally devoured its own creator alive.
- Blood Syndicate:
- "Mother" is the leader of SYSTEM's Amber Cell, the division of the supervillain conspiracy responsible for biological experimentation. Mother kidnaps droves of Bang Babies to have them tortuously experimented on, alive and begging for death, until they expire. Mother fills up meat lockers with the bodies of failed experiments, dismissing them all as raw meat, and brainwashes many of the few survivors into obedient weapons for SYSTEM. Mother is also a horrendous boss, blowing out the brains one of her own men for messing up an assignment and trying to have another of her own men "retired", partly due to the man's rebellion but also due to him being stuck with terminal cancer.
- The Demon Fox, the Lord of Lies, is a sinister spirit and the sister of the Chinese warrior Kwai. As part of a divine game arranged by her and Kwai's sociopathic immortal father, the Jade Emperor, the Demon Fox has lived for seventy-seven cycles killing and ruining everything around her for fun, earning her sobriquet by tormenting her victims with twisted lies. Invoked to kill the Blood Syndicate by the corrupt John Wing, the Demon Fox mentally breaks and brutalizes them first before casually snapping Wing's neck after she feels she's fulfilled his wishes. The Demon Fox continues to play more mind games with the team while posing as John Wing's wife, convincing Masquerade to impersonate the Blood Syndicate's deceased leader for so long Masquerade loses her identity, and possibly even making Brickhouse miscarry her child. Even when freed from the game by Kwai, the Demon Fox spitefully states she'll continue to deny her sister anything close to a loved one for the rest of their lives.
- "Down, Satan!": Gregorius is a Corrupt Corporate Executive who finds himself weary and godless one day and resolves to fill the hole in his faith with another, more Satanic presence. Gregorius, to summon Satan himself to Earth, commissions the construction of a vast torture chamber called the New Hell, a building outfitted with every torture known to man and many others never even conceived. When Gregorius is finally found alone in the New Hell, countless hundreds have already met their demise, mutilated corpses stuffed in every room of the New Hell. Gregorius boasts at his trial over the atrocities he's committed and, if the prosecutors would only let him go, promises to introduce enough suffering to top the New Hell and drown all belief in blood.
- Anamurumon is the grandfather of, and the mastermind behind, the Jade Regent and his tyrannical rule over Minkai. Condemned into the form of a spiritual oni after a campaign of carnage and an attempt to starve the nation into surrender, Anamurumon forms the Five Storms and sends his oni minions to corrupt and kill off entire ruling families so the Jade Regent could take over. Anamurumon cares nothing for the Jade Regent himself except as a pawn for power, having murdered the boy's mother and molded the Jade Regent into a tyrant who plunges Minkai into famine and tyranny. Unabated, Anamurumon will drive the entire nation into a monster-infested hellscape of terror, blood and excess.
- Grigori Rasputin was a Russian mystic who in actuality was one of the children of the mystical Baba Yaga. To attain the birthright that was denied to him, Rasputin allied with his half-sister Elvanna and captured Baba Yaga's soul in a matryoshka doll. Coming back to Earth and happily leaving Golarion to be plunged into an eternal blizzard by Elvanna's hands, Rasputin takes over a Siberian prison camp and turns it into a den of horror, having the prisoners and surviving soldiers tortured to death, turned into trench zombies, fed to his monsters. To kill the adventuring party, Rasputin slaughters the entire nearby village to meld the population's bodies into a "corpse orgy" he unleashes upon the heroes.
- The Splatter Man is the only serial killer in the Harrowspire prison to have been condemned to the maximum security "Nevermore" block for the sheer audacity of his slayings. The Splatter Man, in life, tormented his chosen victims over days by arranging them to find letters of their own name spelled in blood, culminating with the Splatter Man horribly murdering them. The Splatter Man arranges a murderous takeover of Harrowspite, which results in the destruction of the entire prison and the Splatter Man coming back as an enraged ghost. Sealed within Harrowspire due to the soul of the warden's wife persisting on to keep Harrowspire's criminals locked away, the Splatter Man attempts to destroy her soul to bring a tide of homicidal ghosts upon the nearby town and slaughter nearly everyone within it.
- Professor Alandar Mangvhune was a surgical professor-turned-babua assassin with a fascination for the anatomy of a living—or dead—body. Mangvhune, to preserve his soul's individuality after his demise and reincarnation, turned to torturing people repeatedly to the brink of death and bringing them back to pinpoint the location of a soul anchor underneath the city he lived in. Succeeding and reincarnating as a demonic servant of Shax upon his death, Mangvhune continues old habits and teaches his brand to murderous disciples, specializing in all forms of Cruel and Unusual Death to prepare his victims' bodies as tableaus. Possibly Mangvhune's worst murder is the unfortunate chef Grattus, whom Mangvhune paralyzed and kept conscious before taking his tender time carving Grattus up and preparing him as a meal. Far from Mangvhune's only display, the apparitions of Mangvhune's mangled victims fill up an entire amphitheater so Mangvhune always has an audience when he prepares his next tableau.
- Yamasoth, the Polymorph Plague, is possibly the vilest member of the eldritch, omnicidal qlippoth. A qlippoth lord who finds the tedium of his people waiting to retake the Abyss insufferable, Yamasoth designed a new way to weaken the demons who ruled the Abyss; twisting mortal bodies into immortal abominations so as to deny their souls passage into the Abyss. To this end, Yamasoth has turned hundreds of thousands into flesh-warped abominations with no memory of who they used to, earning his realm the title of the Kingdom of New Flesh. Yamasoth freely aids cults in his name to spread his vile plague and even bolstered the armies of Runelord Alaznist with his hideous creations, in preparation for a qlippoth invasion that would have seen the death of millions. Patiently waiting for the time the Abyss falls as a result of his widespread perversion of mortal flesh, Yamasoth rules over and embodies one of the vilest domains in all of Pathfinder.
- Charon, the Boatman, is the Horseman of Death and the eldest among his kind. De facto ruler of the Horsemen, the daemons, and all their atrocities, Charon only differs from his mass-murdering kin by virtue of his patience and subtlety. Charon deals with divinities, demons, and entire worlds on the brink of disaster, promising them their lives while knowing they were forfeit all along and ultimately claiming the souls of his duped victims in the end. Charon once condemned a dozen sea civilizations to a gigantic glacier in the Abyss, aware and conscious of every second, and once built a construct known as the Dustbringer to age an entire civilization into dust, an act that revolted even Asmodeus. Charon is said to have fostered rebellions to kill off and replace his own Horsemen, and though many evil deities in Pathfinder are responsible for enormous amounts of death, few match the Boatman for sheer tenacity and scale.
Edited by Scraggle on Sep 7th 2020 at 1:50:07 PM
I guess we can be happy Venture Brothers gave up at least one example, though I suppose that's evidence of how well the villains were written to be complex enough to not qualify. As a consolation, it did get a staggering six Magnificent Bastard candidates, so I'm happy I could get what discussion I could out of my favorite show ever.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.Lighty: Done. I'll do the potholing and such and request swapping with next week's batch.
Yes to Flagg. Slayer's second after Hitler (my own approved candidate) and I think the 3rd Flagg after the original and "Crimson King".
Forgot the fanfic one, but is the film one actually Flagg himself?
Finally finished the ep for Princess Vanellope from Wreck-It Ralph 2. It's my first one and I'm not sure if detailed enough or too much. Hopeful I at least got it right enough for a vote.
What is the Work?
Wreck it Ralph 2
by jbwarner86
is a fanfic about an alternate sequel to Wreck-It Ralph. In it, Sugar Rush gets sold off to a hardcore fan by one of the Litwak’s workers in secret and Ralph, Fix it Felix, and Sgt Calhoun have to save President Vanellope von Schweetz and the other racers. Meanwhile the Sugar Rush racers meet their new neighbors Sugar Rush II: Whirled Tour and Princess Vanellope von Schweetz.
Who is Princess Vanellope von Schweetz and What Has She Done?
Princess Vanellope von Schweetz is the ruler of Sugar Rush II: Whirled Tour, the sequel to Sugar Rush. Once the kind and fair ruler of her game, the attention of being the players favorite racer made her narcissistic and paranoid of anyone who took it away. Her game was originally from an arcade that went bankrupt after the other games crashed one after another. It’s later revealed that Princess Vanellope caused the arcade to go bankrupt by kidnapping the main characters of those games and stealing their power ups for her scepter to become the greatest racer. This resulted in them being sold to Sugar Rush fanboy, Bernie. Where they end up being left in his basement, never to be played again.
After Princess Vanellope invites the Sugar Rush racers to race in their Random Roster Race, President Vanellope misses Ralph, Felix, and Calhoun back at Litwak’s. Princess Vanellope convinces her to leave through the plug connecting to the internet. This was actually a ploy to get President Vanellope alone, since she already knew the plug was sealed up tight. Princess Vanellope then knocks out President Vanellope and sends her to her laboratory, where she’s trapped in video game boundary and rips out part of her glitch coding out of her to be kept in her scepter. A process that’s very painful and has the risk of killing the victim. (Which is dangerous since when a video game character dies outside of their game, they die for real) She even forces Rancis and Sour Bill to watch as the machine takes out her glitch code. Princess Vanellope then keeps them locked up in her fungeon (it’s a fun dungeon).
When she reunites with the Sugar Rush racers, she’s completely indifferent to their grief over their President leaving them and tries to make them race. When they justifiably tell her no, Princess Vanellope has her oreos guards and racers trapped and forced into their role as her racers. When Candlehead tries to escape, Princess Vanellope glitches in front of her and strangles her into submission. She almost kills her with her scepter but Taffitya managed to save her by submitting to the Princess’s rule.
When President Vanellope, Rancis, and Sour Bill escape the fungeon. The Sugar Rush racers mock her and tell her their Vanellope is better than her. She retaliates by having them beaten to submission by the Sugar Rush II racers and through into the fungeon.
After Wreck It Ralph, Fix It Felix, Sgt Calhoun and BD_Gunman84 (Bernie’s avatar from Extreme E-Z Livin) rescue the Sugar Rush racers, steal her scepter and kidnap General Atomic Bill, The Princess declares war on Sugar Rush. Leading a siege of everyone from Sugar Rush II on the Sugar Rush castle. Putting all of them at risk of Final Death. Once the scepter is back in her hands, she gives her subjects and their karts Sweet Seekers cannons to barrage on Sugar Rush and laughs at the destruction they bring on Sugar Rush castle.
When Princess Vanellope and her army enter the castle, Ralph and President Vanellope point out that since she has her scepter back they can just go back to their game and they can stay in Sugar Rush and they can just ignore the other. Princess Vanellope refuses the offer as she can’t let an inferior version of herself be better than her and still plans on attacking them. Just then the Sugar Rush racers and the C.L.A.W. arrive to form a protective circle around President Vanellope, Ralph, Felix, Calhoun, and BD and Rancis tells them not to try anything. Princess Vanellope doesn’t care if they take out her subjects and says that she can just respawn them as she pleases. When Rancis calls her out on this. Princess Vanellope responds by hitting him across the face with her scepter with enough force to knock a tooth out. An act that shocks even the Sugar Rush II racers. Rancis responds by giving the Princess a Reason You Suck speech. The Princess retaliates by trying to jab him with her scepter only for one of the Sugar Rush II racers to throw cake at her. They then give her a speech of their own and turn on her.
Princess Vanellope, going full Villainous Breakdown, crackles madly as her glitching issue gets worse (she keeps switching from her princess dress, racer outfit, and President Vanellope’s hoodie as her voice gives out). She decides to kill them all with her scepter, starting with Orangina Shimmerdust, the racer who threw cake at her. And was only stopped when Bernie started moving the game, frantically trying to return it to Litwak’s.
Realizing that she’s being taken away from her game, Princess Vanellope blames President Vanellope for everything. And ties her to her kart and proceeds to drive them both out to the unplugged power cord, Leading to an epic chase as the Sugar Rush I and II racers fight to save President Vanellope. Finally reaching the power cord, Princess Vanellope drives them down the electricless tunnel, a dangerous move since there’s no electricity, and tries to throw President Vanellope out of the plug, only for the gang to interfere. Eventually President Vanellope is freed and stops Princess Vanellope from attacking Ralph. Princess Vanellope prepares to use her scepter on them, only to meet her end when her glitching sends her out of the power cord.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
At first glance she seemed like the girly girl to President Vanellope’s Tomboy, she is actually a mad tyrant who is driven by attention and jealousy. Shows no remorse for her actions or caring about her fellow racers to the point of risking their lives invading Sugar Rush. There’s a scene where she loses to President Vanellope in the Random Roster Race and it seemed like she accepted the loss and just enjoyed herself, despite the fact that Sugar Rush II racers warned to let the Princess win. This just made her target President Vanellope. She doesn’t even care for her most loyal subject General Atomic Sour Bill, who created her power scepter and didn’t notice when he fell on his face trying to get her back the scepter
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Princess Vanellope is like Turbo from the first movie only worse. While Turbo’s name became synonymous with taking over someone else’s game. Princess Vanelope takes it further by stealing the codes of other characters to become the best racer. Princess Vanellope has stolen the power ups of 57 characters in total. In the story she is by far the worst character. Bernie and Kyle made an illegal deal of buying and selling Sugar Rush causing the whole plot. But neither of them know video game characters are real and as far as Bernie knew, the deal was legit. Colonel Lockload is a minor antagonist who at the start of the story prevents Calhoun from interfering with Sugar Rush and hates her marriage to Fix-It Felix. But was dealt with easily by being locked in the Janitor’s closet at Tapper’s
President Vanellope's run through the machine is described as followed. And the Princess used this on 56 people before Vanellope.
- A shocking purple bolt of electricity shot out of the machine, piercing Vanellope square in the chest She screamed, louder that she'd ever screamed before, as her digital body flashed and glitched uncontrollably. The shuddering needle-like mechanism above her blared a deafening buzz, sucking a stream of pixels out of her like a giant mosquito drawing blood.
Final Verdict?
If Turbo was not eligible for a CM slot, then Princess Vanellope Von Schweetz is a keeper. A dark reflection of what President Vanellope would have been like in Turbo’s potion.
I’d also like to propose the scene of her almost killing Candlehead for the CM Quotes as I feel it cements her role as a CM.
"Looks like I have to make an exA-A-AMple of you!" The Princess squealed, placing the scepter's point against Candlehead's heart. "I've got over a dozen new subjects, what's one less gonna hurt?!"
The Sugar Rush squad rushed to save her, only to run smack into the guards. Candlehead struggled to breathe. Her eyelids fluttered as Princess Vanellope's thumb drew closer to the buttons…
“STOP!”
The Princess looked up. Taffyta was pressed against the guards' barricade of spears, cheeks stained with mascara-laden tears.
"...W-We'll do it," she hiccuped. "We'll be your subjects... we'll do the races... just p-please, d-don't hurt her..."
Candelhead gasped, sucking in a lungful of air as Princess Vanellope stood up. "There, see?" she said, voice dripping with patronizing insincerity. "I knew we'd come to an understanding."
Edited by M1st3rSt3v3 on Sep 8th 2020 at 2:51:06 PM

Yes to Flagg. I prefer Atlas' rewrite over a retool of the old. It reads better overall.