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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#225076: Aug 14th 2020 at 1:26:04 AM

[tup] Rasputin. Though I have to ask why the version from Anastasia doesn't count. He's not the most heinous movie villain but he's pretty bad.

Edited by LordYAM on Aug 14th 2020 at 1:31:17 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#225077: Aug 14th 2020 at 1:36:31 AM

[up] Okay, so he causes the Russian Revolution, but the movie renders most of that as Offstage Villainy. Rasputin's onscreen rapsheet isn't long enough; other stuff that would kick him up like trying to derail a train doesn't do much because IIRC the rest of the train's population was left completely unseen, rendering any potential of mass casualties as family friendly Fridge Horror.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#225079: Aug 14th 2020 at 1:53:28 AM

Sure to Rasputin.

RIP KissAnime.
RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#225082: Aug 14th 2020 at 2:42:47 AM

BTW, I believe this is only the 3rd Rasputin CM, after Ivanovic and KGB's Von Ausch.

Thoughts on the images?

Edited by ACW on Aug 14th 2020 at 6:32:56 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#225083: Aug 14th 2020 at 4:42:00 AM

[tup] Grigori Rasputin.

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#225085: Aug 14th 2020 at 5:10:16 AM

[tup] to John Henry Butler, Randall Penes and Grigori Rasputin.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#225086: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:12:51 AM

To be submitted tomorrow (along with maybe the images):

"This new force, this individual, began to make his presence known in our galaxy. And he had different ideas from ours. He sees a universe of conflict, pain, and terror. He craves fear. Not his own, of course, but the fear of others. He is a strange perfectionist, in a way. He wants a galaxy cleansed of creation. His goal, I soon realized, is to destroy life. His method is to use one species against another, strong destroying weak, and then strong in turn being destroyed by the stronger still. He believes that there should be only one species. A single sentient race, which would be subjugated by him."
-The Ellimist on Crayak, Animorphs #26: The Attack

Of all the horrors Edward and Alphonse Elric encounter on their journey for the Philosopher's Stone, these individuals stand out as the most irredeemably depraved.

  • Father is a being from beyond the Gate given form as the "Dwarf in the Flask" and named Homunculus by the nameless slave who would become van Hohenheim in the Xerxes empire. Desiring to escape the flask, Homunculus would trick the king of Xerxes into a ritual that slaughtered multiple people to initiate an alchemy ritual that killed everyone in Xerxes and split their souls between Hohenheim and Homunculus, to the former's horror. Later founding the nation of Amestris and creating the Homunculi, he took the name of "Father", guiding Amestris to become a military dictatorship that initiated military conflicts to provide bloodshed for an even greater ritual, including the genocide of the Ishvalan people. Intending to kill and steal the souls of tens of millions so that he could devour God, or Truth itself to absorb its power, Father demonstrates cold sadism when he faces Hohenheim and the latter's children Edward and Alphonse Elric, mentally torturing them as he also abandons or tries to absorb his own Homunculi children. While he sees himself as an existence above humans, this is simply a reflection of Father's arrogance and pride, desiring to ascend ever higher, no matter who or what he has to destroy to gain ultimate knowledge and power.
  • Dante is a vain 400-year-old alchemist who keeps herself alive by sacrificing lives to allow the creation of a Philosopher's Stone to transfer her essence into younger bodies, sacrificing thousands and killing the previous inhabitants of her new body. In the nation of Amestris, Dante installs one of her Homunculi servants, Pride, as Führer of the country and has him enact numerous bloody conflicts, in the hopes that doing so will push a talented alchemist to create a stone for her to use to retain her youth. Keeping the Homunculi in order with the false promise of restoring their humanity with the Stone, Dante even uses Sloth's likeness of her previous lover's wife torment him and his sons. Selecting the teenage hero Ed's Love Interest as her next body, Dante states her intent to have sex with him and hypocritically rants that her oppression of humanity proves her to be their immortal protector.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#225087: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:32:21 AM

[tup]Rasputin and the images

just a question, did Ultimatedemon already do the writeup for the Morbach Monster because I don't remember anything about that ever being put in the pending page or drafts.

Edited by nwotyzal on Aug 14th 2020 at 8:20:11 AM

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#225088: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:53:31 AM

[tup] to Grigori Rasputin and the first image.

[tdown] to the second image.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#225089: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:56:29 AM

The images go together BTW. I think I may merge them.

Kirby0189 Kirby is shaped like a friend from America Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Kirby is shaped like a friend
#225090: Aug 14th 2020 at 7:02:53 AM

Since Cornelius Alba was added recently, I would like to suggest this for an image link.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#225092: Aug 14th 2020 at 7:12:42 AM

And the merged image:

It's the manga, but apparently it's basically the same, if more detailed, so not like Ganon.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#225093: Aug 14th 2020 at 7:15:16 AM

[tup] to Penes and Rasputin

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#225094: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:08:33 AM

Oh, it's We Summon the Darkness BTW.

Also, Murdoch Monster? You mean Morbach? It's already in my batch.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#225095: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:12:14 AM

[tup]Ra ra Rasputin. Russia's Greatest love machine.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#225097: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:27:42 AM

Based on what I read, [tup] to Butler. Another for the Played CM WTF? circuit along with Kevin James and John Ritter.

Saw the finale of Agents of SHIELD last night. PM me to discuss.

slenderman123 Since: Apr, 2019
#225098: Aug 14th 2020 at 9:16:28 AM

First [tup] to Rasputin. But I was wondering if I could make a subpage for the full moon features universe. It is a shared universe with characters and crossovers and all that.

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#225100: Aug 14th 2020 at 9:25:14 AM

[up][up]We discussed this before on the thread, but the consensus was the "shared universe" was nothing more than easter eggs without a clear continuity and the only crossover was the Puppet Master and Demonic Toys crossover.

Edited by nwotyzal on Aug 14th 2020 at 9:49:28 AM


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