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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#224501: Aug 8th 2020 at 3:28:35 PM

[tup]skynet

Wondr if his T2 Trilogy version would count ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#224502: Aug 8th 2020 at 3:32:54 PM

Yes to Abaddon and Skynet. Any thoughts on which Skynet quote to use?

[up] That's a thing?

Edited by Bullman on Aug 8th 2020 at 5:33:23 AM

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G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#224504: Aug 8th 2020 at 3:37:22 PM

[tup] to Abbadon and Skynet

Edited by G-Editor on Aug 8th 2020 at 12:38:40 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#224505: Aug 8th 2020 at 3:38:35 PM

[tup] to Skynet.

[up] Gotta admit, "Shynet" sounds like a legit parody.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#224506: Aug 8th 2020 at 4:11:06 PM

[tup]Abaddon

[tup]Skynet

[tup]MIR

[tup]The Jaquio

[tup] Dr. Wheeler

Watch me destroying my country
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#224507: Aug 8th 2020 at 4:12:38 PM

Any thoughts on which Skynet quote to use? The movie or comic one?

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VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#224508: Aug 8th 2020 at 4:13:34 PM

I would lean to the comic one, due to it being said by Skynet.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#224509: Aug 8th 2020 at 4:15:18 PM

Good point. But I feel the film one is more iconic and Skynet did originate in the films.

Edited by Bullman on Aug 8th 2020 at 6:15:31 AM

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VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#224510: Aug 8th 2020 at 4:25:19 PM

Skynet never physically appeared in the films until Terminator 3 and never had a dialogue until Salvation.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#224511: Aug 8th 2020 at 4:28:37 PM

[up] True. But then that brings the question as to why we have a quote from the second movie on Complete Monster? It is not like we don't have quotes that are about characters rather than from characters though. Live-Action Films and the main page for example.

Edited by Bullman on Aug 8th 2020 at 6:32:39 AM

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Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#224512: Aug 8th 2020 at 4:38:15 PM

[tup] to Abbadon, the Skynet quote, the first parnell quote, and the first two of De Carta 's quotes

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#224513: Aug 8th 2020 at 4:43:53 PM

Yes to Abaddon and Skynet.

Edited by falcontalons on Aug 8th 2020 at 4:45:29 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#224514: Aug 8th 2020 at 4:45:36 PM

[tup]Abbadon (how many versions do we have?) and Skynet (again)

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#224515: Aug 8th 2020 at 5:05:49 PM

So should we cut the Skynet quote from Complete Monster since it's from the second where Skynet doesn't appear?

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nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#224516: Aug 8th 2020 at 5:15:21 PM

[up]I mean Skynet was a character before it was introduced, so I don't see a reason to cut it

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#224517: Aug 8th 2020 at 5:17:08 PM

[up] Okay.

In that case I still say it would be a good page quote. Though again the comic one works.

Edited by Bullman on Aug 8th 2020 at 7:28:49 AM

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MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
UltimateDemonBeast65 Since: Feb, 2018
#224519: Aug 8th 2020 at 5:29:36 PM

Thank you all for the upvotes. This is my successful fanfic and I'm really happy that one of the characters I've created has a shot. I will say that in the Effort Post that he left out a few details or that there's a few inconsistencies (Not ones that would change Abaddon's verdict), but I'm sure if I'm allowed to specify any of them.

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#224520: Aug 8th 2020 at 6:05:21 PM

[up]Given that it's for clarification rather than influence the voting process, I think it shouldn't be a problem.

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Aug 8th 2020 at 3:05:18 PM

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#224521: Aug 8th 2020 at 6:13:17 PM

[tup] Jaquio, MIR, Abaddon and Skynet

[tdown] Jerry

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#224522: Aug 8th 2020 at 6:19:10 PM

Anymore opinions on which quote to use for the Terminator page? I'm starting to think that the comic one works better myself.

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Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#224523: Aug 8th 2020 at 6:29:05 PM

Yes MIR, Abaddon and Skynet.

Here is the Jaquio write up:

  • Ninja Gaiden: Jaquio, the main villain of the first 2 NES games, is an evil warlock who wants to rule the world. Jaquio learns of legend about a Demon that came to Earth 700 years and went on a killing spree until it was defeated and defeated by a Shinobi. The Demon's body was imprisoned in a temple and its spirit was trapped in 2 different statutes, Jaquio plans to free the Demon, believing it will grant him great power. Jaquio takes over the temple ruins and kills archeologist Walter Smith and kidnaps Ryu's father Ken in order to obtain the statutes. When Ryu Hayabusa confronts Jaquio, he threatens to kill CIA agent Irene Lew if Ryu does give him the statute and plans to sacrifice here anyway after Ryu gives him the statute. When Ryu confronts Jaquio again, Jaquio reveals he has made Ken his mind-controlled puppet and has him attack Ryu. Ryu seemingly kills Jaquio, but Jaquio is revived by evil magic. Jaquio obtains the Sword of Choas and the Altar of Darkness that will allow him to open a portal and allow a horde of demons to enter Earth, dooming mankind in the process. Jaquio attacks Ryu through his pawn Ashtar. Jaquio plans to sacrifice Irene and Ryu to summon the demons to Earth.

Edited by Overlord on Aug 8th 2020 at 6:32:23 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#224524: Aug 8th 2020 at 6:35:32 PM

Yes to Abbadon and Skynet.

Edit: I remember when I published my amateur screenplay last year. I was really happy to have completed a version of a story I came up with, and that people had read it. I'm sure that Lighty, Scrag, Tyk, Ravok, et al, can relate.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Aug 8th 2020 at 9:45:08 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#224525: Aug 8th 2020 at 6:35:49 PM

So this is it for ninja gaiden games. I don't think anyone counts in dead or alive it's spinoff as it's Big Bad Victor Donovan hasn't done much yet.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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