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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#223001: Jul 28th 2020 at 9:23:16 AM

I had a feeling that if CM named Gaston was proposed, some people would immediately makes jokes about with Gaston from Beauty and the Beast... Not that it is a problem though.

Anyways, [tup] Gaston. Now to prevent myself from singing the song and annoying everyone on the thread like Gas- OH GOD DAMN IT!!!!!

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Jul 28th 2020 at 9:24:59 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#223002: Jul 28th 2020 at 9:35:07 AM

[tup] Gaston.

[down][down][down] Stanley Caldwell was also a chef?

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 28th 2020 at 1:11:40 PM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#223003: Jul 28th 2020 at 9:35:39 AM

Yes to motherfucking Christopher Reeves Gaston!

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#223004: Jul 28th 2020 at 9:36:16 AM

[tup] Nathara and Gaston.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#223005: Jul 28th 2020 at 9:38:49 AM

Oh, Gaston's actuallyplayed by Judd Nelson. Christopher Reeve is Fred!

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#223008: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:18:25 AM

Third for Neslon btw.

He was also Stanley and Unicrom

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#223009: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:18:54 AM

One I've also been meaning to propose from Captain Britain? From Alan Moore and Alan Davis's run....I give you Mad Jim Jaspers.

Who is Mad Jim Jaspers?

James Jaspers is a member of the British Conservative party...now, Jaspers existed in multiple realities including Earth-238. This past Jaspers rose to power and launched a campaign of superhuman genocide, creating a being called The Fury, designed to kill every superpowered being except Jaspers himself. The few survivors fled, since that Jaspers was also an insanely powerful mutant who could warp and deform reality...to save all of existence the universe was destroyed.

Earth 616 Jaspers? The survivor of 238, Saturnyne notes Jaspers' rise to power mirrors his counterpart, using the exact speech and rhetoric. Jaspers, in truth, cares nothing about heroes. He simply wants to ensure that there is no threat to his power. Jaspers initiates his plans, instituting concentration camps in Britain, death squads, etc. to wipe out superhumans...within a week, he promises? All superhumans will be exterminated.

We see an image of the future Jaspers will make as 'The Crooked Man.' A twisted world of corpses, mass graves and slaughter, concentration camps where everyone with even a hint of superhuman ability is rounded up and butchered or installed in concentration camps under signs of Jaspers' face. Jaspers becomes Prime Minister as even some of his conspirators try to stop him...only to find Jaspers warping reality and torturing them with that.

Jaspers begins spreading his reality cancer to warp and twist all existence, consuming it little by little....far, FAR more powerful than his 238 counterpart, as Merlyn observes: "The Omniverse shall fall to chaos and a new and hostile god shall play with the dice." London becomes a brutal hell under Jaspers' control with Jaspers torturing Captain Britain via reality warping.

Things are stopped by the arrival of the Fury, which...doesn't recognize Jaspers as the Jaspers it served and commences a battle, as the Fury gets stronger as it faces something more powerful. The Fury wins by transporting them to a complete 'unspace' where Jaspers has no reality to warp...and fries his brain until nothing's left. Now, Jaspers does return briefly later to destroy reality again, but is destroyed and...hasn't come back since.

Heinousness?

A guy like Jaspers has to go over and above. He is, bar none, of the strongest beings in all Marvel, insanely powerful as a reality warper. That said? Death camps, extermination squads, superhuman genocide, near destruction of the omniverse itself, warping and intending to torture countless beings? Oh yes, Jaspers passes it.

Mitigating Qualities?

None. Jaspers is power hungry...and also entirely insane. He's also aware of this and gleeful about it, as when Captain Britain pleads "Jaspers, if you're sane...you can't do this!" Jaspers' response? "I'm not. And I can!" So yeah, he doesn't even believe his rhetoric as he's a mutant himself. He just cares about power...and then destroying things for kicks. Yeah, he's totally freaking nuts.

Conclusion?

Hearty yes to the villain of one of the best Marvel stories ever written.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#223010: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:22:35 AM

[tup]Mad Jim Jaspers

Heard about this dude. Good to see he's as easy a a keeper as he sounded

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#223012: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:26:37 AM

[tup] Alan Moore really had it in for the British Government at that time, huh? 'looks at Adam Susan'

Edited by Forenperser on Jul 28th 2020 at 7:26:51 PM

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DolphZ Since: Mar, 2019
#223013: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:28:10 AM

[tup] Jaspers and Gaston.

Edited by DolphZ on Jul 28th 2020 at 11:00:43 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#223014: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:28:13 AM

Yes to Mad Jim.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#223015: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:37:37 AM

Yes to Jaspers (I'm a little confused; is it the Earth-616 version being proposed, or the Earth-238 version?).

"The Fury determined that this Jaspers was not its creator, whom it wanted to kill but its programming prevented from doing so to which it found it to be frustrating, and therefore was not exempt from its directive to kill superhumans."

Whoops.

BTW, unless I'm mistaken, the story has its own page.

Edited by ACW on Jul 28th 2020 at 1:41:29 PM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#223016: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:45:13 AM

UK: Elects Conservatives.

Alan Moore: D:<

Yes there Lighty.

[up] Yeah, he doesn't link to the work pages often in his effort posts.

Edited by 43110 on Jul 28th 2020 at 1:46:44 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#223017: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:46:20 AM

Moore may be a great comics writer, but he's...let's be nice and say a little eccentric.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#223018: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:48:17 AM

Also a quote I found on him

"You musn't fail. This version of Jaspers. Is too powerful. Too dangerous... His counterpart could at least be halted even if it meant to destroy an entire continuum. This one is not so easily containable. And if he cannot be defeated, then the omniverse shall fall into chaos. And a new and hostile god shall play dice with matter.
-–Merlin on Mad Jim Jaspers, A Crooked World

Edited by miraculous on Jul 28th 2020 at 10:48:52 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#223019: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:48:18 AM

[tup]Jasper.

Why so serious?
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#223020: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:52:31 AM

Moore had serious complaints against the Thatcherite government and their human rights records and that's all I'll say.

ACW: 616.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#223021: Jul 28th 2020 at 10:59:38 AM

Got it. Crazy thing is, if I'm reading the EP correctly, the other Jaspers would be an EASY keeper if not for the fact that Earth-616's is somehow MORE powerful.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#223022: Jul 28th 2020 at 11:05:09 AM

[tup]Jasper (I mean everyone and their dog has made fun of Thatcher)

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#223024: Jul 28th 2020 at 11:08:08 AM

[tup] to Gaston and Mad Jim/James Jasper.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#223025: Jul 28th 2020 at 11:10:40 AM

Say, DCAU!Darkseid's been cut from MB, and Scraggle mentioned this. Do we wanna add it to his CM entry somewhere? Granted, in the scheme of things it's small, but basically freaking RAPE in the DCAU?


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