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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#222926: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:11:11 PM

[up]Dayshift At Freddys (one where the killer was surrounded by dead bodies)

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#222927: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:12:21 PM

I think there's an Image Pickin' forum for that one.

KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#222928: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:13:14 PM

Actually, last I checked the thread, everyone liked the image of Mewtwo from a Nuzlocke comic. See the current discussion here

"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#222929: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:30:57 PM

Re: Mythology and Religion images; I've got...this. It's...a start

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/dd8b24e0_825d_4e97_a206_801669623899.jpeg
Procrustes puts the idea that his guests will get out alive to bed.

[down] Fair enough.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 27th 2020 at 7:36:05 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#222930: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:34:06 PM

Can't really tell what he's doing from that picture alone.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#222931: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:34:36 PM

[up][up]Dosen't look clear enough, maybe if there's a follow up image showing the limbs removed or something

Edited by nwotyzal on Jul 27th 2020 at 4:34:32 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#222932: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:35:41 PM

I can't really tell what's happening in the picture.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#222934: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:45:10 PM

[up] Sure, it might. Same caption?

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 27th 2020 at 7:45:32 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#222936: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:47:32 PM

Another quote:

The Doctor: But what of the lesser intellects? Or will they be left to rot?
Davros: You should know me better than that, Doctor. I never waste a valuable commodity. The humanoid form makes an excellent concentrated protein.
Doctor Who, "Revelation of the Daleks"

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Jul 27th 2020 at 4:47:55 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#222937: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:51:45 PM

Not feeling the quote.

Imperial's image with my caption.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/6a362b6b_bc8c_424a_93a3_27800c2158bc.png
Procrustes puts the notion that his guests will get out alive to bed.

My one issue is that the background will not be able to be removed, so night vision is gonna be a bitch.

[down] That's another thought. Let's get the ball rolling. If we can find any sculptures of Procrustes, that would be even better.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 29th 2020 at 11:14:43 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#222938: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:53:56 PM

Uh isnt their a ton of art, sculptures on all these guys. Shouldnt we get as many options as possible and send it to image pickin.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#222939: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:54:50 PM

Not feeling the quote. Mir does bring up a good point.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 27th 2020 at 6:56:39 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#222940: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:56:49 PM

That quote works better for Human Resources

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#222941: Jul 27th 2020 at 4:59:33 PM

I also found some of these (I'm not sure what the rules about fanart is, but I did link their artstations)

EDIT: I decided to get rid of two of these pictures due to concerns about using people's personal artwork.

Edited by nwotyzal on Jul 27th 2020 at 5:16:12 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#222942: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:04:26 PM

I also found

Apophis

Lamatshu

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#222943: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:04:56 PM

[up][up] You may want to upload the Waynudo pic to the site, since I cannot access it.

[down] Yes, I think we should.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 27th 2020 at 8:07:19 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#222944: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:05:16 PM

Should we make an Image Pickin thread for this so we dont bog down this thread?

[up]it's on this site found it through Google Images

[down]Yeah, even though I like them, we probably shouldn't use them unless we can get their permission. Do you want me to remove those links?

Edited by nwotyzal on Jul 27th 2020 at 5:11:03 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#222945: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:07:39 PM

Guys, it might be best to get someone's permission before we use any personal artwork.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#222946: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:11:03 PM

Noted.

I need to find out if any of my suggestions are personal artwork.

Edit: They don't appear to belong to anyone in particular. Regardless, I appreciate that there's no need to rush.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 27th 2020 at 8:14:30 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#222947: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:12:21 PM

Like come on, people, some of those are literally people's personal blogs and artstations. At least seek permission first.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#222948: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:12:56 PM

Yeah, guys? Be a little more mindful of copyright and calm down. We're not so desperate for a page image we need to start grabbing everything we see off Google Images. We're not in such a rush we need to ignore things like getting permission. The image isn't that big of a deal.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#222949: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:15:17 PM

Okay yeah sorry. Maybe a bit too early and too much. I'll try and find something that should be a non copyrighted by being an official painting.

Edited by miraculous on Jul 27th 2020 at 5:15:18 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#222950: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:19:02 PM

If you want to propose artwork that's by a fan, it would be best to see if you can contact them first and get permission. That's what I did with Hotis' image.


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