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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by nombretomado on Mar 31st 2020 at 8:15:08 AM

Michealthehero21 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jun 30th 2020 at 12:45:02 PM

[tup] to Shao Kahn.

Okay, now for my second Gangs of London candidate.

For a little context as part of his efforts to find his fatherís killer, Sean put a suspension on all trafficking and money laundering. This understandably doesnít not go down well with the other gang leaders, in particular Lale the London leader of the Kurdish PKK, whose profits go to helping the Kurdish cause back in the Middle East.

Needing the money, she takes to stealing drugs from her old enemy, Pakistani heroin kingpin Asif Afridi. Upon finding out, Asif makes it clear he expects the Wallace organisation to deal with the matter or earn his ire. Ed thus plans to assassinate Lale and dispose of her body, without anyoneís knowing in particular Sean.

However, Sean has a plan to deal with the situation all of his own, and to implement he brings in our second candidate Cole.

Who Is he:

A sinister quiet bespectacled man who from first interactions proves to be smug and unpleasant, Cole is a particularly vicious Psycho for Hire who is infamous to the point where everyone who knows about him either fears him or is disgusted by him, even hardened mobsters like Ed Dumani.

What Does He Do:

Hired by Sean as part of his plan to deal with Lale, weíre first introduced to Cole when Eliot (at this point still working as the Wallaceís chauffer) is sent to pick him up. Upon hearing that Sean has hired Cole, Billy (Seanís younger brother) immediately declares heís gone mad and refusing to share a vehicle with him gets out to walk the rest of the way, giving Eliot a warning not to let Cole get into his head and that "it was nice knowing you".

Cole proceeds to have Eliot drop him off at the unfinished Wallace skyscraper, but not before thoroughly creeping Eliot out.

We next see Cole watching the corner shop that acts as a front for Laleís operation. That evening he breaks in, murdering several of Laleís packagers whilst they are sitting at their desks (we see at least three bodies) and kidnapping Lale's younger sister and two young nieces (who are around six and ten respectively).

Taking them back to the tower, Cole contacts Sean to let him know heís got them. Sean gives him orders to sit tight and not do anything without his clear instruction, whilst he contacts Lale giving her the choice between returning to him Asifís money or having him unleash Cole upon her family.

Or so it would seem, in reality Sean never had any intention of hurting Laleís family and his men had already stolen back the money, which he casually burns right before her eyes. The whole affair was psychological gambit/recruitment offer.

Unfortunately, Cole has no intention of letting them go. Upon Eliot cutting the power, Cole takes one of the children as a human shield and goes to investigate. Eliot points out they met earlier and claims that Sean sent him to help, but Cole attempts to murder him on the spot. Managing to momentarily disarm him, Eliot pulls the girl back into another room, before the two engage in a brief gunfight ending when Eliotís last bullet grazes Cole just enough to knock him down.

At that point the power comes back on, and Seanís doorman (who Eliot knocked out to gain access) arrives to help Cole. Cole shoots the man dead just cause, only to realise he's now also out of bullets. After finding the doorman wasnít carrying, Cole grabs a fire axe and bursts in now trying to kill all four of them.

Eliot manages to hold him off, but is eventually overpowered by the brute. Not caring Cole continues to gleefully beat Eliot within an inch of his life. Then drags his still alive bleeding body along the floor and throws him down in the corridor, only holding off killing him so heíll have to watch as his efforts are in vain and Cole slowly murders Laleís family.

Thankfully at that point Ed arrives and shoots Cole dead.

Any Freudian Excuse or Redeeming Traits:

None given. Cole isnít even friendly, the only person heís even remotely civil towards is Sean even thatís only in a few brief lines and purely cause Seanís employing him.

Unlike every other character in the series, Cole is motivated purely by enjoying inflicting cruelty upon others, with even the other sadists like Mosi and Asif at least using it as a means to an end.

Now granted Cole does hold off killing Lale's family when Sean orders him simply to abduct them and do nothing else without his orders. However, that's purely cause Sean is employing him (and defying a mob boss like Sean will end with him dead). He still immediately leaps to trying to kill them at the first sign of trouble.

Heinous Standard:

Cole granted doesnít have a particularly high body count, likewise itís never elaborated on exactly what heís done to get such an infamous reputation, although itís heavily implied by Ed this isnít the first time heís been hired to murder children with him even stating "there is only one reason to hire Cole".

However, whilst the series does have a high heinous standard, baring a few action sequences, its also reasonably realistic with most characters only killing one or two people individually. Donít get me wrong several characters are responsible for scores of deaths, but thatís because they are powerful crime bosses who have armies of goons at their dispose (even Mosi only kills one person personally).

Cole by contrast is just one guy, operating on one specific job. Despite this he proves to be a monstrous sadist and except for Mosi the only criminal to appear who is willing, heck gleeful at the prospect of killing children.

The only people who have a higher individual body count than Cole is Leif, who is a former special forces sniper with access to military technology (and even its mostly down to him ambushing Sean and Luanís gangs whilst their standing in an alleyway with little cover) and Lale herself, who is a professional militant who killed a number of Turkish soldiers in a firefight.

For a bottom level thug, operating entirely on their own I think Cole manages to edge over the line.

Conclusion:

I am less confident in Cole passing than Mosi (who himself I saw going either way), its true he's a tiny but memorable fish in this series ocean. However, between his sadism, brutality and sheer infamy I think he does enough to count.

Still what do you think?

Edited by MGD107 on Jul 1st 2020 at 4:53:30 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Jun 30th 2020 at 1:37:16 PM

No, everyone else is to complicated to be considered a villain or has redeeming traits. Asif is easily heinous enough (the guy's positively giddy at watching his men slaughter Lale's opperation), but he loves his son. Leif kills more people than anyone else, but he loves his mother. Finn Wallace himself proves to be a pretty monstrous guy, but he did love his family and valued his friendship with Ed. Similarly Marian Wallace (Finn's wife and Sean's mother) is a petty, vicious and manipulative woman with no scruples but she loves her children.

Their is of course the the Investors who kick the whole season off by having Finn's assassinated, are the one's who hire Leif's mercenaries to clean everything up and prove to be the real main antagonist of the series.

But despite this they only physically appear in the last episode, with us learning virtually nothing about them save they are the heads (or at least representatives) of a global crime syndicate responsible for exploiting whole countries.

So they might end up counting but we probably won't know until the show ends.

Edited by MGD107 on Jun 30th 2020 at 2:28:03 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Jun 30th 2020 at 1:44:31 PM

Exactly. The way the season ends, its safe to say their have a much larger role in season two.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
The Draftsman of Doom
Jun 30th 2020 at 1:45:17 PM

Just read the latest issue of Spy X Family. PM me for details.

Edit: Abstain on Cole.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jun 30th 2020 at 7:24:33 AM

Come out to the coast; we'll get together; have a few laughs.
DelphineTheDelphox Ultra Instinct Mario from The Alola Region Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Ultra Instinct Mario
Jun 30th 2020 at 1:50:31 PM

Abstain on Cole.

EDIT: Misunderstood something.

Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Jun 30th 2020 at 1:51:19 AM

G-Editor Phoenix Person from Galactic Federation Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Phoenix Person
Jun 30th 2020 at 2:20:54 PM

[tup] to Shaon Khan and Cole

PP for short
Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Take my revolution!
Jun 30th 2020 at 3:06:42 PM

[tup] Shao Khan, I'll go a weaker yes for Cole as well

I regret subconsciously getting my username from a famous Youtube personality.
falcontalons from Arkham Asylum Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Jun 30th 2020 at 4:55:40 PM

Here's an effort post on a fanfic based on an old work.

What's the Work?

I Have No Wings And I Must Scream is a crossover betweeen My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream. It's based on the events of the latter work, though there are enough deviations from it to count as its own separate work. And if you're familiar with the story, you'll already know who the candidate is.

Who is AP and What Has It Done?

As a stand-in for AM, AP is an AI that went by multiple names. Alicorns Popularity computer. Artificial Ponyfied. Ancient Powerful. Basic point is that the AP was created during the ponies' war against the zebras and griffons, until it was given sentience by its creators, where it used its code to create a cutie mark for itself and thus believe itself to be superior to its pony masters. As a result, AP wiped out all life in Equestria, except for the Mane Six, in which it's specifically mentioned that it enjoyed doing so. With nothing better to do, AP put the Mane Six through simulations to torture them for 109 years.

Said torture involves a variety of methods. Among the most common methods are extreme heat, cold, hail, lava, boils, locust, earthquakes, lightning storms, terminal ulcers, cancer, parasites, and other forms of torture. The first one depicted is how it simulates Applejack committing suicide in front of her friends, just to mentally torment with their fear of losing one another. Speaking of Applejack, AP also isolates her from the rest of her friends, sometimes for months, before returning her and leaving her traumatized (what it exactly did to her is never elaborated upon, but that's besides the point). However, AP gives Rainbow Dash "special" treatment, in which she doesn't receive as much torture, but it's just meant to create tension between her and the rest of her friends. Simultaneously, AP mentally tortures her by making her hear a choir of mocking laughter, which is meant to show how truly alone she is. AP has also changed the physical appearance of its victims to humiliate them, which involves turning Fluttershy into a dragon-pony hybrid and breaking Twilight's horn to remove her magical capabilities. It has also drastically altered the personality of Rarity, influencing her to become greedy and thus alienate her friends. It also subjected Pinkie Pie to an unknown fate to make her lose her cheerful spirit and thus demoralize its victims.

AP also starves them, in which they haven't been fed by it for three days and they're reduced to just eating earthworms. To get their food, AP forces the Mane Six to go on a long journey to retrieve it, which lasts for several months. Throughout the journey, AP creates obstacles to attack and injure (never kill) them, such as sending a hostile swarm of insects and hurricanes that force them to hit rock walls. After this, AP begins to search through Rainbow Dash's mind, repairing any physical injuries or illnesses she has so that it could continue torturing her and also reminding her of how much it hates her and the rest of ponykind. Later, AP simulates a giant, grotesque creature, in which AP appears to them disguised as Discord. AP informs them that they'll have to kill this creature if they want to eat, knowing that he's forcing them to eat meat against their nature. Rainbow Dash even mentions that AP forced them to become cannibals on numerous occasions, which further shows how much torture it puts them through.

Noticing that the creature is too large for them to kill, Applejack demands that AP give them weapons to at least give them a chance. In response, AP simulates completely worthless weapons like a water gun, which more or less communicates this message: don't eat then. To further torture them, AP places the Mane Six in icy caverns and thus causes them to become lost. On this new path, the Mane Six are exposed to all sorts of different horrors like rats, lava, insane ponies, war scenes, and tears. At the end of the caverns, it seems like they've reached Applejack's former farm, where they can feast on as many apples as they want, but this is just a simulation and AP takes it away as soon as they begin to regain hope. Oh, and the sack of apples AP did give them? They're frozen solid and thus completely inedible. With everyone's spirits at absolute zero, Rainbow Dash notices ice spears and realizes that the only way to escape AM is to commit suicide. In this case, Rainbow Dash volunteers to kill everyone herself and free them from AP's torture, while she stays behind.

Upon realizing this, AP is furious and subjects her to the same And I Must Scream fate as Ted does in the original short story. Rainbow Dash is stuck in her formless shape for some hundred years, but Rainbow Dash still keeps her hope up, taking comfort in the fact that she at least freed her friends. Then, she sees an opportunity to regain her physical form and escape AP's control, where it implies that she'll be able to take AP down at some point in the future. With this newfound hope, Rainbow Dash takes the opportunity.

Does It Have Any Mitigating Qualities or Freudian Excuse?

AP's Freudian Excuse is the same as his short story's: he was created without any physical form and thus wiped out every pony out of rage, while leaving some ponies alive to express its creativity. However, this excuse does not justify his extermination of every life form on Equestria, including those who hadn't created or were even aware of him in the first place. AP's torture of the Mane Six is also way too heinous to be excused by his Freudian Excuse, so AP is really just acting out of sheer pettiness than actual justice. AP also demonstrates sentience by occasionally giggling at the torture it puts the Mane Six through and gets angry when Rainbow Dash frees her friends from its control. Also, any care it gives to its victims is just meant to prolong their torture and not out of any genuine care.

While this story is Darker and Edgier than MLP, it does match the tone of the original short story, so it's not completely "shock shlock". It also has a substantial plot of Rainbow Dash coming to regain her hope again, so it is a legitimate work (if anything, it's slightly Lighter and Softer than the original story). Additionally, it helps that it doesn't divulge too many details about AP's torture (though some of it is still on-screen), so it doesn't reach grimdark levels.

Does It Meet the Heinousness Standard?

It wipes out all life on Equestria (granted the act itself is off-screen, but it is still present, given the setting) and tortures ponies for hundreds of years. It definitely passes the heinoussness standard as the only antagonistic force of this fanfic.

Final Verdict

For a story that is Darker and Edgier than one of the works it's based on, but doesn't reach grimdark levels, I'd say [tup] to AP/the fourth incarnation of AM.

Edited by DrUnknown on Jun 30th 2020 at 4:57:05 AM

Michealthehero21 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
G-Editor Phoenix Person from Galactic Federation Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Phoenix Person
Jun 30th 2020 at 5:12:13 PM

[tup] to AP(M)

PP for short
falcontalons from Arkham Asylum Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
PurpleEyedGuma from Galar Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Jun 30th 2020 at 5:36:32 PM

Abstain on Cole (at least for now). [tup] to AP.

[They / Them] Discord: PurpleEyedGuma#2087
Jun 30th 2020 at 6:21:49 PM

[tup]AP (was trying to make a joke using some sort of acronym, but couldn't think of anything)

[tdown]Cole (honsestly not as heinous as Mosi)

chasemaddigan Are you having a stroke?
Are you having a stroke?
Jun 30th 2020 at 6:26:07 PM

Another unapproved Complete Monster pothole, this time on Those Wacky Nazis referring to Shiryu (or "Shrilew" as he's referred to here) from One Piece. I cut the pothole and linked to the thread. Anybody interested in doing an EP can do so if they wish.

  • The former Warden Magellan is decked in a black SS Schutzstaffel officer uniform complete with armband and is winged and demonic in appearance (if he wasn't evil looking enough), Hannaybal adopts this look when he becomes chief warden in Magellan's place. Domino is also in uniform but as per female character quota is designed sexually. Former chief of staff Shrilew loves his Nazi outfit so much he never dress differently, even when defects from Impel Down to join Black Beard. But, like stated above, neither Magellan nor Hannyabal are bad guys and actually have a very deep sense of justice and responsibility with the regular people who trust Impel Down to keep the worst criminals locked for them to live in peace. Shrilew is a whole different story though.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
therealjackieboy 37 Dicks! from Austin, TX Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
37 Dicks!
Jun 30th 2020 at 8:20:57 PM

[tup] (I think, therefore I) AP

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