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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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  • Case File nÂș221: Kabukicho: In the darkness of Kabukicho, these criminals stand out as particularly vile individuals:
    • Jack the Ripper, real name Maki Hokari, was a transgender woman who could not get a sex change. Developing an obsession with becoming perfect, the Ripper began brutally murdering attractive men and women, castrating them postmortem and eating the women's wombs. When Irene Adler steals a USB drive with incriminating information, the Ripper murders her friend and threatens Irene's life, eventually attempting to make good on that threat. When confronted by Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson and called out on the crimes, the Ripper tries to torture Holmes to death out of rage, and when confronted by James Moriarty, the Ripper taunts him about killing his sister and eating her womb.
    • Milverton, from "Don't Take Off the Swimsuit", is a vile businessman known as the "king of all blackmailers". Milverton frequently blackmails celebrities for money or sex, and will release their personal information if they are even a few seconds late with their payment. It is also revealed that Milverton blackmails young girls into becoming prostitutes, and even plans to sell his own very young daughter to a pedophile.
  • RWBY: The Official Manga: Roman Torchwick, lacking his show counterpart's redeeming qualities, is a destructive sociopath and one of the most infamous criminals in Vale. He teams up with Cinder Fall and executes her schemes, organizing an attack on the city of Vale and planning to blow up a large section of the city's downtown area. At one point, he has Ruby Rose tied up, intending to have the White Fang torture her to death, and gleefully reveals that the purpose of the attack on Vale was to cause a Grimm invasion, which would destroy not just the city but the entire kingdom.
  • Ten Grand, by J. Michael Straczynski, Ben Templesmith, et al.: Brother James Samaritan, the man responsible for the death of Joe Fitzgerald and his beloved Laura, was a former Templar in life who lived life with a legacy of torture and execution behind him. Left for dead by the God whose name he had used to justify his atrocities, James pledged himself to Hell upon death's door and spent the rest of his immortal existence reaping souls for Hell. James plans nothing less than a total invasion of Heaven, holding Laura's soul in thrall in exchange for Joe's loyalty, with the threat of having Laura's soul consumed by demons—a process, James notes, which can take hundreds of years.
  • Unnatural: The Albino is an ancient wolf spirit. Once a remorseless and sadistic killer who slaughtered countless innocents, the Albino was placated with bridal sacrifices whom it would murder on their wedding night. Becoming obsessed with a new bride, the pig Bes, the Albino's life ended up manifested within Bes's reincarnation Leslie. Returning to drive her to madness and resume its killing rampages, the Albino gleefully describes itself in the worst terms and completely refuses to change its ways.
  • Star Trek/Legion of Super-Heroes, written by Chris Roberson: Vandar of Stone is a combination of the immortals Vandal Savage and Flint in an combined Star Trek/DC Universe timeline, inheriting all Savage's cruelty and none of Flint's positive qualities. Vandar, as a caveman, manages to capture the god being Q and uses the power of the Q to rewrite history, enslaving humanity and becoming dictator of Earth. Vandar then decides to conquer the universe, sending out of his troops to conquer other planets. We see his forces violently conquer alien species like the Durlans and the Xudarians and trick the Klingons and Khunds into going to war with each other. Later, Vandar captures several members of the Enterprise crew and the Legion of Superheroes, planning to torture them to death using the Agony Booths.
  • Cyborg Cop (1993): Professor Joachim Kessel is a drug lord who plans to corner the Cyborg market. Killing plenty of people and having their faces removed to be placed on his cyborg assassins, Kessel sells these cyborgs to criminal organizations for hefty profits, uncaring of what they do with them. Killing Phillip Ryan and his men as they storm his base, Kessel has his body converted into a cyborg, planning to kill his brother Jack to sell them both. Preparing to sell a cyborg to a terrorist organization planning to kill their president, even smiling when it kills a man as a demonstration, Kessel later chooses to sell Phillip instead, having him crush the hand of his former captain and snap his neck. Once Jack storms his base, Kessel holds his Love Interest Cathy hostage, promising to kill her if Jack doesn't die first.
  • The Death of Stalin: Lavrentiy Beria, the head of the NKVD, desires control over Russia, using his position to murder, torture, and rape whomever he wants, regardless of age. After discovering that Stalin's dead, Beria crafts his own enemy list to replace Stalin's, has the NKVD take over city security duties from the Soviet Army, and appoints weak-minded Deputy General Secretary Georgy Malenkov as Premier of Russia to be used as a political puppet. Refusing to allow Stalin's mourners into Moscow for his funeral, once 1,500 of them are slaughtered by his soldiers, he instead blames the mourners for being there against his orders, and refuses to allow his NKVD troops to act as scapegoats for fear that it'll tarnish his reputation.
  • Triple Threat: Collins is the leader of a band of professional mercenaries. Starting out imprisoned in MI6 custody in Jaka's village, Collins arranges for his subordinate, Devereaux, to slaughter the entire village so he can escape, personally killing an operative who had been holding him. Before leaving the village, Collins arranges explosives in an attempt to destroy any evidence, intending to kill the prisoners as well. When Payu and Long Fei refuse to cooperate, he leaves them for dead. Hired by the mob boss Su Feng to eliminate an heiress by the name of Tian Xiao Xian, Collins leads an attack outside the hotel where Tian is being interviewed, killing a slew of armed personnel. Discovering that Payu and Long Fei are at the Central Police Station, Collins and his crew gun down multiple police officers in the hopes of eliminating the duo, as well as capturing Tian when he realizes she is at the station. Upon losing two crew members in the assault, Collins dismisses them as useless. When Payu and Long Fei offer Tian in exchange for a sum of money and their freedom as a ruse, Collins hires a large number of additional mercenaries, intending to kill the duo regardless of their sincerity or lack thereof.
  • Don Corneo, the lord of Wall Market, is a ruthless Mafioso fully on board with Shinra's plan to bomb Sector 7 to oblivion with the promise of a new and improved Wall Market to reign over, and has no compunction calling himself a "villain". A sickening pervert, Corneo is known for claiming nightly brides, from willing and unwilling women alike, passing others to his men to be "enjoyed" by them. Once he is done, the women are fed to his monstrous pet Abzu, a pattern that continues for a very long time, with not even the loved ones of his own subordinates safe.
  • The Divine Comedy: Dis/Luficer was once "the highest of all creatures", above every angel and man gifted by the Highest Joy with immortality, invincibility, super intelligence, and perfect happiness. However, Dis came to love his superiority to the lower angels and only that superiority, making the supremacy of his Father unbearable. In acting on this pride, he convinced his fellow angels and the first humans to rebel against the Love known as God. With his rebellion, the Devil introduced all the evil, suffering, and death that would ever be into the world while condemning any who followed him to Inferno, a realm of eternal torment where souls are forced to endure tortures such as being transformed into twisted, broken trees; feasted upon by harpies; and being submerged in a river of boiling tar. With his angelic intelligence, Dis knew all of this would happen if he carried out his "arrogant rape", yet brought all of the tortures and crimes described in Inferno into existence without any remorse.
  • Malazan Book of the Fallen (Seven Cities arc):
    • Korbolo Dom, who also appears in Return Of The Crimson Guard, was a bloodthristy former Fist who betrays the Malazan Empire, slaughtering half his legion who refuse to join the Whirlwind uprising. Slaughtering civilians wherever he goes with 1,300 children seen crucified, Korbolo Dom sets upon the 'Chain of Dogs' refugee procession to slaughter countless civilians, crucifying his former rival Coltaine in agony and later subjecting countless thousands of captives to crucifixion. Later attempting to have the Whirlwind and Malazan armies wipe one another out, Korbolo Dom rejoins the empire, blaming the Wickan tribes and trying to subject them to horrific pogroms with nothing to stand between him and his horrific ambitions.
    • Bidithal is an elderly member of the rebellious army the Whirlwind and its most powerful High Mage who gets away with his atrocities due to his power and high position. He has a disturbing taste for little girls that he rapes and performs female circumcision on. In his darkest act, Bidithal captures the adopted daughter of the Whirlwind's leader, Felisin the Younger, and rapes her. He tells her he will "drink all the pleasure from your precious body, leaving naught but bitterness, naught but dead places within."
  • Slade House: Jonah Grayer resides in the titular Slade House with his twin sister Norah. Having murdered LĂ©on Cantillon in the past for trying to publish an autobiography of him and his sister that revealed their true nature, Jonah murders an Engifted person every nine years alongside his sister and uses their soul to perpetuate their immortality, with Jonah and his sister frequently playing mind games with the victim beforehand. Over the course of the novel, Jonah murders several people, including a young teen, alongside his sister.
  • RWBY: After the Fall: Carmine Esclados and Bertilak Celadon are a corrupt Huntress and Huntsman who traffic people with powerful or useful Semblances for money. They act as bodyguards to the elderly Edward Caspian and his young grandson August, intent on kidnapping Edward due to his Semblance. While Carmine feigns friendship and kindness to her targets and their community, Bertilak assaults a waitress for being a Faunus and mocks Team CFVY over the Fall of Beacon. Taking advantage of a Grimm attack, Bertilak kidnaps Edward while Carmine kidnaps August. Carmine uses her telekinetic Semblance to send a massive sandstorm at the fleeing survivors to distract them and cover her tracks, while Bertilak ambushes and tortures Edward's would-be rescuer Fox with his heat manipulation Semblance. After Yatsuhashi and August convince Bertilak that Carmine tried to double-cross him, Bertilak immediately tries to murder her for revenge. In her anger, Carmine stabs Fox in the legs and tries to suffocate everyone, including August and Bertilak, in the sand.
  • The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle: Boris Gromov, better known under his chosen epithet "Boris the Manskinner", is a well-spoken, well-mannered NKVD officer and right-hand to Lavrenty Beria himself. In his chosen profession, Boris is responsible for the mass liquidation, torture, and execution of political dissidents, earning his namesake from his proclivity for having men slowly Flayed Alive by his silent Mongolian aide. Tossed under the bus for torturing a communist politician to death through the application of red-hot irons to the man's every orifice, Boris finds himself in a Siberian gulag and quickly starts manipulating his way into power, having people tortured and killed in giant numbers, even a seven-year-old child killed with his parents Forced to Watch. Boris finds himself confronted by Lt. Mamiya, a Japanese man whom years earlier Boris had flayed the comrade of and forced Mamiya to watch before tossing Mamiya to languish at the bottom of a well, and allows Mamiya to have a shot at killing him, only for the bullets to pass through empty air. Boris exits the novel with one final spiteful gesture, placing a curse upon the already war-ravaged Mamiya to live the rest of his days in misery, unable to love and unable to be loved.
  • Ice Fantasy: Fire King Huo Yi is the power-hungry tyrant of the Fire Tribe who seeks dominion over all the Three Kingdoms, no matter how many lives he has to extinguish in the process. Huo Yi opens the series launching devastating attacks upon the Ice Kingdom and burning most of the Ice King's sons alive, ordering the death of anyone who attempts to help the two survivors, Ka Suo and Ying Kong Shi. Huo Yi is responsible for regular bouts of torture, mass murder, and spiteful manipulation, at one point winning over the loyalty of the Dream Kingdom's lord by promising to cure his deathly ill sister, before revealing the cure never existed in the first place and trying to murder them both. At the end of the series, Huo Yi starts devouring the souls of everyone he comes across, his own long-abused children among them, and pledges all who will not submit to him in his new kingdom will have their souls consumed to suffer forever. At the end of his wicked life, Huo Yi murders his last surviving daughter simply to get to Ying Kong Shi, moments after she had tearfully pleaded for Ka Suo to spare her father's life.
  • David Bowie's "Running Gun Blues", from The Man Who Sold the World: The unnamed narrator is an American soldier waiting to go home after the US pulls out of The Vietnam War. Frustrated with this, the soldier sneaks out at night to kill random people, soldier and civilian alike. He uses such varied methods as shooting, stabbing, bombing, and bashing. Through this, the soldier seeks to "promote oblivion", out of nothing but sadistic racism.
  • RUSTAGE's "Empire" ft. Daddyphatsnaps: Frieza is self-proclaimed "god" who walks "amongst the peasants". He claims that he will "be passing down my sentence, so these vermin learn a lesson, that rebellion isn't pleasant". He's "blowing up planets" and is "a cold killer" who kills many people, strangling and choking them. One of the planets he destroys is home to "a vermin race", with Frieza planning to "wipe 'em clean" to "make way for [his] empire".
  • Slayer:
  • Star Trek/Legion of Super-Heroes, written by Chris Roberson: Vandar of Stone is a combination of the immortals Vandal Savage and Flint in an combined Star Trek/DC Universe timeline, inheriting all Savage's cruelty and none of Flint's positive qualities. Vandar, as a caveman, manages to capture the god being Q and uses the power of the Q to rewrite history, enslaving humanity and becoming dictator of Earth. Vandar then decides to conquer the universe, sending out of his troops to conquer other planets. We see his forces violently conquer alien species like the Durlans and the Xudarians and trick the Klingons and Khunds into going to war with each other. Later, Vandar captures several members of the Enterprise crew and the Legion of Superheroes, planning to torture them to death using the Agony Booths.
  • Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix:
    • Assistant Director Aaron Wilson is a greedy member of The Shop and the secret head of Prometheus. Missing the old days of the Cold War, Wilson decided to bring it back by using his old contacts in KGB to create Prometheus and have them develop a deadly Romulus virus, which he soon tested by forcing drug lord Manuel Vergara to sell it to a rebel terrorist group La Fuerza del Dios and led them to use it on a village full of innocent people, leading to many people dying a slow and agonizing death. Later on, leaking The Shop's moves to Prometheus and blowing up a secret base under the book shop, which caused several deaths, Wilson has Prometheus attack a hospital to kill the survivor of the explosion. At the end, abandoning all pretense, Wilson leads an attack on The Shop, killing countless people and openly announcing his intention to use the Romulus virus to infect world leaders and plunge the world into another Cold War.
    • Ex-KGB agent Alexei Nachrade is one of the highest members of Prometheus, acting as its official leader. Eagerly joining Wilson's scheme of using the Romulus virus to plunge the world into a Cold War, Nachrade takes an equal part in trafficking the virus to US territories and delivering it into the hands of La Fuerza del Dios for testing. When John Mullins starts getting too close to discovering the identity of the mole within The Shop, Nachrade has him lured to Japan to his personal prison, where he has his men torture people to death. Later on taking the airport full of people hostage and having his men murder several innocents along the way, Nachrade distracts Mullins enough for Wilson to attack The Shop, announcing that with The Shop destroyed nobody could stop Prometheus from doing whatever they want.
  • The Oxventure:
    • Lady Liliana is the Arch-Enemy to the Oxventurers Guild after M. Channail's death. Introduced to the party running black market organ trafficking in "Spell Check", Liliana has her underlings steal the magic from any magic users they capture—a process which has killed at least all but one of a previous adventuring party—and sell any non-magic organs for extra profit. As part of the operation, Egbert's kidney is stolen to create a clone army, with her later ordering one mook to have his organs harvested for bringing her a message; when this fails, she vows revenge before disappearing. After the clone army is destroyed, Liliana returns in "Sect Appeal" to found a cult she manipulates into kidnapping civilians to mutate and brainwash into her personal army, which she plans to use to conquer the Kingdom of Geth.
    • Vex, the Arc Villain for "Peak Performance", is a sadistic woodsman and necromancer, and despite his limited screen time stands out as one of the nastiest foes the Oxventurers Guild have encountered, never being played for humor. Imbuing his traps with necromancy that will raise the corpse of anyone caught in them, even if said trap doesn't inflict fatal wounds, Vex taxidermizes any zombified being that returns to him, as shown by the extensive collection of displayed animals in his cabin. Far from doing this to survive, this is done purely out of sadism and inflated ego, as shown when he gleefully reflects on turning Merilwen's wildcat, Simon, into a hat despite its being buried—twisting the knife in the process and refusing to take the hat off despite the elf's visible grief—and then tries doing the same to the Guild by siccing a zombie bear on them. Despite his claims of doing this to get by, Vex truly saw himself as superior to all others and viewed any attempt to impede his activities as "cheating" him out of what he believed to be rightfully his.
    • Erowin, the Arc Villain for "Elf Hazard", is the elder of Merilwen's village and a Knight Templar obsessed with tradition, viewing any deviation as punishable by death. Initially appearing a kind if unintentionally racist leader of the village, he actually punishes any elf that refuses to change their name upon reaching adulthood by gifting them an iron broach that is cursed to have banshees hunt them down; when breaking into his house, CorazĂłn discovers a ledger with multiple confirmed fatalities. Upon discovering the party have rigged the tombola to let Merilwen keep her name, he coldly attempts to condemn her and CorazĂłn to death, only for the attempt to backfire and him to die in the process. Unusually humorless for a comedic series, Erowin stands out as one of the nastiest Oxventure villains despite solely featuring in one episode.
  • Halloween Horror Nights:
    • Island Under Siege scarezone & "Maximum Carnage": In this alternate version of the Maximum Carnage storyline, Carnage proves to be as despicable and vile as his comic book counterpart, if not more so. After winning against Spider-Man and killing him, Carnage uses Shriek's psychic powers to drive the populace insane while he frees inmates and forms a cult-like gang in his service. He and his hordes of destructive minions then lay waste to the area, with Carnage killing any other heroes that attempt to intervene and putting their corpses on display. When guests arrive, Carnage uses them as living target practice for laser guns, sics his henchmen and several freed supervillains on them, and puts both them and his own henchmen in a nuclear reactor and exposes them to gamma radiation just for fun.
    • "El Cucuy: The Boogeyman": The titular El Cucuy is a sadistic shapeshifter and tormentor of children. Taking delight in causing pain, El Cucuy murders children and adults alike, including massacring an entire birthday party and movie theater audience. He disguises himself as a child's grandmother, then kills the child for staying up past bedtime. His lair is decorated with stolen toys and children's bones, and filled with children who he keeps trapped in cages and bags so he can keep them alive as he tortures and eats them.
    • "Clowns 3D": The clown simply known as Sweet Licks was once a normal businessman and entrepreneur running the company/attraction Sweet Licks Family Fun Center and Ice Cream Emporium. After the company fell on hard times, Sweet Licks went mad with rage and began a criminal enterprise of killing humans and turning them into "all natural, high protein ice cream". He then used his attraction to lure in and trap visitors, who he proceeds to kill by using pickaxes and chainsaws to mutilate them while they are still alive, fill with ice cream until they burst, or hang from meat hooks, harvesting their organs and vomit to use as ingredients. As guests try to flee, he attacks them with a chainsaw to ensure there are no witnesses.
  • "Pumpkin Eater": The titular Pumpkin Eater is a humanoid monster resembling a pumpkin that terrorizes humans. At first only a nuisance who ate pumpkin crops, the Pumpkin Eater later desired human flesh, and would attack the town within The Hallow by breaking into homes, killing the people—including women and children—taking their faces as trophies, eating the bodies, and burning down the house. This continued until the town was completely destroyed and all of its people wiped out. It stalks the town, tormenting the ghosts of its past victims and hanging corpses all across the town. It summons pumpkin minions and giant insects to attack guests, and kidnaps people from around the area to force into slave labor, use as torture victims, or forcibly nail to posts and use as scarecrows to attract crows and be Eaten Alive. It throws men, women, and children into a giant meat grinder, then cooks both them and the guests into pumpkin pies.
  • "Tooth Fairy": The Tooth Fairy is a supernatural entity obsessed with human teeth. He breaks into the homes of children who have just lost teeth to violently kidnap them, then take them to a hellish realm filled with torture equipment and things he has stolen from his victims. There, he and his minions brutally and painfully imprison and torture children, ripping out their intestines, bones, organs, and teeth until they are dead. He commands his minions to make things as horrific as possible, using massive drills, saws, hooks, and knives to mutilate and torment the innocent children. He decorates his realm with pinned butterflies, jars of children's organs, teeth, and stretched-out human skin. He kidnaps some adult victims to torture and forces them to watch the horrors, even making a hallway from severed mouths, one of which is still screaming. He creates a maze out of children's bodies pinned and tied to mattresses, and will attack guests and try to rip out their teeth.
  • Rushu is the king of the Shushu, a race that takes pleasure in nothing but destruction. Rushu slew almost all his primordial brothers at the beginning of creation to ensure there would be no rule to his reign; regularly murders his own Shushu with casual abandon; and has annihilated all life on his native world of Shukrute, a fact which has him constantly scheming ways to invade the World of Twelve to devastate it as well. Kept only in place by the sacred pact of the gods, Rushu finds numerous ways to subvert or simply outright break the pact, occasionally personally appointing Shushu to wreak swathes of bloody havoc and destruction while routinely tempting souls into becoming more Shushu. Rushu collaborates with the Eliatrope traitor Qilby to gain access to the World of Twelve to start razing everything in sight, his advent upon the world only thwarted by his Arch-Enemy Goultard.
  • Super Paper Mario fan sequel Super Paper Mario 2: The Seven Sorcerers: Dimentio survives his defeat from the previous game and decides to exact revenge on Mario and his friends by trying to again wipe out all of existence and create a new universe in Dimension D. He first hypnotizes seven sorcerers to kill Mario's party and, simultaneously, kidnaps Mario and imprisons him in Dimension D and impersonates him during his friends' journey. When Mario's friends seemingly reverse Dimentio's scheme, he reveals himself to them and hypnotizes Blumiere and his former minions to kill Luigi, Princess Peach, and Bowser, before planning to kill his hypnotized servants and use the Pure Hearts to create an even more powerful void to destroy all of existence. When Dimentio is defeated, he hypnotizes Blumiere again to kill his lover, Timpani, and drive him to commit suicide. He also fakes his own death to make it seem that Dimension D was wiped out with Mario to spite the heroes one last time.
  • DCAU fanfic Heart of Darkness: Doctor Destiny returns years after his original appearances, developing a God Complex and becoming hellbent on revenge against Batman. He develops the ability to feed on the emotions of others, in which he plans to exploit Batman's strong emotions to regain his physical form and amplify his own powers to eventually conquer the universe and haunt whoever he pleases. To make Batman vulnerable, Doctor Destiny employs Bane and several other supervillains to physically wear him down. During Batman's fight, Doctor Destiny influences one of the supervillains he's employed, Igor Sazuky, into killing Gotham City's mayor and his wife in front of their two children to enrage Batman and make it easier for him to infiltrate Batman's mind. When the rest of the Justice League enters Batman's mind to rescue him, Doctor Destiny stalks and tries to kill them numerous times, before later tricking them into giving him the seven emblems that represent Batman's emotions and granting him the power to regain his physical form. When Batman sacrifices himself to trap Doctor Destiny in the dream realm and is about to be rescued by the other Justice League members, Doctor Destiny tries to drag Batman down with him to spitefully get his revenge before his final defeat.
  • Miraculous Ladybug fanfic Nymph and the Corrupted Miraculous: Xue Ying is an embittered former Guardian of the Miraculous who, after being failed by the Guardians, is implied to have engineered the downfall of the Order, with the help of an unknowing Wang Fu. Reemerging 170 years later, Xue Ying attacks an unsuspecting Fu and steals all but one of the Miraculous in the Miracle Box. She then proceeds to perform a ritual to corrupt the Miraculous for evil use, before distributing the Black Cat ring to Adrien Agreste, taking advantage of his insecurities to make him into her loyal minion, who proceeds to terrorize Paris. After seeing the chaos Lila Rossi causes as a Champion, Xue Ying recruits her to be her second minion, Volpina, who she encourages to make Nymph look bad by making it appear she stole the Mona Lisa. After learning that Adrien's father, Gabriel Agreste, has the Miraculous Grimoire, she orders him to bring it to her, creating a series of events that breaks the boy further. Following his defeat, Xue Ying disregards him as a failure, before corrupting Sabrina Raincomprix into Drone, and entering the fray as Serpentina to terrorize Paris and recover the remaining Miraculous. Following her initial defeat, she unearths the evil Miraculous known as the Null, using it to become Nihilumbra, despite the consequences of using it. She then proceeds to launch one final attack on Paris, raising an army of the dead to tear the city apart on Heroes' Day.
  • Teen Titans fanfic series Nightweaver (Year One; Year Two): Black Mask is a minor mob boss in Gotham City and the Arch-Enemy of Nightweaver. Black Mask first teams up with various other supervillains to kill the Teen Titans, including Nightweaver, though he is defeated. Feeling humiliated by this, Black Mask goes after Nightweaver personally by killing his girlfriend, Catgirl, in front of him and then kidnapping Raven and a revived Catgirl before asking Nightweaver who he wants to save. Although Nightweaver chooses to save Kitrina, Black Mask kills them both in front of his eyes to spite him and then uses a shotgun to shoot out both of Nightweaver's legs, crippling him. In the sequel, he uses a false nuclear threat to lure the Teen Titans into a trap, where he plans for them to be ambushed and killed by Chemo.
Young Justice
  • A Life in Shadow & Into the Darkness: Deathstroke is a member of the Light and the abusive father of Shadow. He puts his children through brutal training sessions to turn them into assassins, torturing them if they show weakness and drugging them to make them more submissive. When Drea challenges his authority, Deathstroke kills her. When Shadow escapes, Deathstroke puts dozens of other children through his brutal training, resulting in their deaths. He plans to kidnap Nightwing, until Shadow convinces him to take her instead, where he puts her through the same training. He sends her on missions to aid the Light, beating her if she fails or shows any empathy. When Shadow meets with the Young Justice team in private, Deathstroke "rescues" her by threatening to bomb BlĂŒdhaven and kill hundreds of people if Shadow isn't released. When Shadow rebels against Deathstroke, he gives her a stronger dosage of drugs to make her kidnap various superheroes, planning to have her kill Nightwing in front of his friends and attempting to kill her when she escapes his control. In the sequel, Deathstroke uses drugs to influence Matt into becoming his apprentice as the Watcher and plans to turn Matt's children into his own apprentices as well, while later kidnapping Shadow and torturing her into becoming his assassin again.
  • Young Justice: Darkness Falls:
    • In a Bad Future, Darkseid successfully took over Earth, destroying most of the cities and killing almost all the heroes. Humans were forced to do backbreaking labor while worshiping him as he tortured them. If any of his minions ever failed him once, he would give them 50 lashes. Fail him a second time, and he would have them banished to a place so horrifying that no one would speak of it, a place where he banished his son Kallibak. It's also revealed that when Vandal Savage managed to kill a bunch of superheroes for him, Darkseid vaporized him because he wanted the heroes brought to him alive so he could torture them first.
    • In his only appearance, The Joker tries to gas all of Gotham City to death with Smilex for fun. He forces men to help him by holding their families hostage, and plans to kill said men when he no longer needs them.
Harlem Unbound ("Harlem Knights" adventure)
  • Arturo Giovanni was a man always second best. Becoming a poisoner Serial Killer and eventually murdering his twin brother to steal his wife, Arturo later murdered her in an argument and pledged himself to the Old One Zathog. Poisoning his nephew Orsino and killing any who objected, Arturo begins mass human sacrifices to unleash Zathog while making Orsino's body a gift to the Old One to manifest in. Once this is done, Arturo plans to rule over New York while the rest of the world becomes a hellscape for Zathog to play in and destroy.
Dino Charge
  • The vicious Lord Arcanon committed genocide upon Heckyl's world to gain the Energems and grant himself complete universal control millions of years ago. Kidnapping soldiers to fight for him, Arcanon engages the Power Rangers and kidnaps Heckyl, brutally torturing him for the Energems. Attempting to execute any of his minions who fail him, Arcanon fights the Rangers once more, this time having corrupted an entire city into zombie-like beings to use as human shields.
Anime and Manga
  • Case File nÂș221: Kabukicho: In the darkness of Kabukicho, these criminals stand out as particularly vile individuals:
    • Jack the Ripper, real name Maki Hokari, was a transgender woman who could not get a sex change. Developing an obsession with becoming perfect, the Ripper began brutally murdering attractive men and women, castrating them postmortem and eating the women's wombs. When Irene Adler steals a USB drive with incriminating information, the Ripper murders her friend and threatens Irene's life, eventually attempting to make good on that threat. When confronted by Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson and called out on the crimes, the Ripper tries to torture Holmes to death out of rage, and when confronted by James Moriarty, the Ripper taunts him about killing his sister and eating her womb.
    • Milverton, from "Don't Take Off the Swimsuit", is a vile businessman known as the "king of all blackmailers". Milverton frequently blackmails celebrities for money or sex, and will release their personal information if they are even a few seconds late with their payment. It is also revealed that Milverton blackmails young girls into becoming prostitutes, and even plans to sell his own very young daughter to a pedophile.

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Smiley100P Since: Sep, 2017
#219127: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:20:14 AM

I have a candidate to share with yall and its a child from a Dungeons and Dragons campaign!
Because them k i d s, am i right- no, this is not your standard kid cruelty, lemme- lemme give yall a rundown of her.

So what is this DnD campaign this man is talking about?
Dingo Doodles's main series on her channel documents the DnD campaign she's part of run by her boyfriend, known as Fools' Gold. It starts out tame, as predicted, what with her character releasing a Tarrasque by singing karaoke, all presented in a humorous tone, at least until the story progresses and she begins leaving cliffhangers. In episode 12, the DM had cleverly brought back a very interesting NPC by the name of Queen BouClaire, a ten-year-old child whose previous appearance was near the beginning of the campaign.

So who is Queen BouClaire? Why, despite being a ten year old kid, is she so depraved?
Queen BouClaire, formerly known as Potato Girl, started out as a young peasant who clearly stated her desire to become a princess and requested the strongest poison Gothi (one of the player characters) had, to which she accepted, more to humor the thought than anything. She also gave the child a potato, stating "kid like potatoes, yeah?"
BouClaire immediately starts testing the poison on unsuspecting locals, one of who just so happens to be one of the party's companions, Sneeze (who Gothi quickly cured, which BouClaire immediately displayed a sense of disappointment to during the next scene). She also begins growing poison-infused potatoes (in multiple patches!), and when she only had one left when her house burned down, taunted Gothi with a single expression on her face, as well as the potato. While the party is otherwise occupied for several sessions, she cleverly manipulates her way up to the top of Kylandria, which included charming the king and queen into adopting her after being implied to have killed her parents. The king and queen also die soon thereafter (which Dingo directly states she killed them), and the position of queen is "voluntarily" given to her by their legitimate children (Which- she was granted power when she took control of the food and water supply, threatening to poison towns when even one her subjects protest).
When the party catches up to her in a formal meeting, she "thanks" Gothi for giving her the tools she needed to rise to power in the first place, taunts Erina (another player character) when she tells her she had her parents executed, and "offered" the party a set of occupations in the castle for their allegiance, under the invisible threat of boiling blood runes, which she talked to in length to her guards about just how she was going to humiliate and torment them, making their lives a living hell. She also gets killed by Erina in episode 14, and that's just about everything I covered.

Does BouClaire have any redeeming qualities, other than the fact that she's a ten-year-old kid?
I believe not, and the fact that she's a child barely detracts from her depravity. Kids can be cruel, sure, but... yeah, this isn't standard kid cruelty at all.

Does she meet the heinousness threshhold?
I believe so. Kinora also stands out as a manipulative witch who gave Sips (Dingo's PC) his curse and is likely a candidate in her own right, but apart from that I can't think of anyone worse than this kid in this campaign lmao

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#219128: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:25:57 AM

Okay, she seems bad enough on paper, but just how seriously is this played?

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#219129: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:25:59 AM

Make it an even 40:

  • Final Fantasy: The lord of Wall Market, Don Corneo is a ruthless mafioso fully on board with Shinra's plan to bomb Sector 7 to oblivion with the promise of a new and improved Wall Market to reign over, having no compunction calling himself a 'villain.' A sickening pervert, Corneo is known for claiming nightly brides, from willing and unwilling women alike, passing others to his men to be 'enjoyed' by them. Once he is done, the women are fed to his monstrous pet Abzu, a pattern that continues for a very long time and not even the loved ones of his own subordinates are safe.
  • Unnatural: The Albino is an ancient wolf spirit. Once a remorseless and sadistic killer who slaughtered countless innocents, the Albino was placated with bridal sacrifices whom it would murder on their wedding night. Becoming obsessed with a new bride, the pig Bes, the Albino's life ended up manifests within Bes's reincarnation Leslie. Returning to drive her to madness and resume its killing rampages, the Albino gleefully describes itself in the worst terms and by a complete refusal to change its ways.
  • Harlem Unbound: Arturo Giovanni was a man always second best. Becoming a poisoner serial killer and eventually murdering his twin brother to steal his wife, Arturo later murdered her in an argument and pledged himsel to the Old One Zathog. Poisoning his nephew Orsino and killing any who objected, Arturo begins mass human sacrifices to unleash Zathog while making Orsino's body a gift to the Old One to manifest in. Once this is done, Arturo plans to rule over New York while the rest of the world becomes a hellscape for Zathog to play in and destroy.
  • Malazan: Korbolo Dom was a bloodthristy former Fist who betrays the Malazan Empire, slaughtering half his legion who refuse to join the Whirlwind uprising. Slaughtering civilians wherever he goes with 1,300 children seen crucified, Korbolo Dom sets upon the 'Chain of Dogs' refugee procession to slaughter countless civilians, crucifying his former rival Coltaine in agony and later subjecting countless thousands of captives to crucifixion. Later attempting to have the Whirlwind and Malazan armies wipe one another out, Korbolo Dom rejoins the empire, blaming the Wickan tribes and trying to subject them to horrific pogroms with nothing to stand between him and his horrific ambitions.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
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#219130: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:26:04 AM

What ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
WaryHoglet Since: Feb, 2016
#219131: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:31:40 AM

[tdown] to Bou Claire, doesn't seem heinous enough (a lot of the EP was about her taunting the heroes and trying to kill them which is generic, killing the King and Queen and threatening to destroy towns is closer but if she doesn't actually go through with the threats then I don't think it's enough), and she's part of a jokey Lets Player series that doesn't seem it like it takes itself seriously at all (her evil plan relies on magic potatoes, that's not a series that is taking itself very seriously)

Edited by WaryHoglet on Jun 28th 2020 at 11:40:54 AM

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Goku Black
#219133: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:40:05 AM

[tdown]Claire.

I sincerely, sincerely doubt anything here is played seriously.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Smiley100P Since: Sep, 2017
#219134: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:44:18 AM

...Yeah, I probably presented her a little badly.
But yes, she is talked about in a serious weight most of the time. (and when it's not, it's usually in terms of Dingo going "HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM" when documenting her rise to power.)
As for the threats? She may or may not have gone through with them, but when she doesn't, it's either because she couldn't (in terms of making the party's lives a living hell? she was killed first, and she actually tried to use the blood runes during a second encounter but Gothi scratched them out beforehand) or her victims complied with her requests.
...I'm out of time, so that's going to be my last argument. I honestly just thought it was worth a shot, anyway.

Edited by Smiley100P on Jun 28th 2020 at 11:46:49 AM

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#219135: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:47:21 AM

Edited by ACW on Jun 28th 2020 at 2:49:47 PM

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#219136: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:59:46 AM

Hi everyone! I just turned 25 this week, so I wanted to make an EP for the occasion. There's a villain from a certain movie that I've been thinking about posting for a while, but he's a bit peculiar...



Before I start, I should probably clarify that no, this is not a joke.



What's The Work?

Robot Monster is an infamous Z movie released in 1953. The story is about a powerful alien/robot/monster/cyborg/gorilla who is sent to Earth by his leader, the Great Guidance, to exterminate humanity.

Who Is He and What Has He Done?

The Great Guidance is the supreme ruler of the planet Ro-Man.

This planet is inhabited by some sorts of cyborgs, who have ape-like bodies and robotic heads. They possess advanced technology and have mastered the Cosmic Ray (which is something more powerful than atomic energy). Also, they are not allowed to feel emotion.

After exploring the galaxy, the Ro-Mans discovered that there are no life forms on any other planet, except planet Earth. Viewing the humans as potential rivals, the Great Guidance sends one of his subordinates, Ro-Man XJ 2, to exterminate all of them so that the Ro-Mans can take possession of their planet. Ro-Man XJ 2 uses the Calcinator Beam (a weapon derived from the Cosmic Ray) to cause lots of deaths and destruction (and also to bring some dinosaurs back to life, apparently...), causing many countries to accuse and wage war on each other with Hydrogen bombs. When they discover that Ro-Man is responsible, all the armies of the world try to fight him, unfortunately he proves to be far too powerful for them and he ends up destroying them all.

Once most living beings on Earth are seemingly wiped out, Ro-Man contacts the Great Guidance to inform him of the success of his mission... only for the Great Guidance to berate him because, according to his computer, a few humans have survived. The Great Guidance orders his subordinate to find these humans and destroy them by any means necessary.

As it turns out, a scientist managed to develop a serum that protected him and his family from the Calcinator Beam. While trying to contact other potential survivors, the family sees Ro-Man appearing on their video screen, who tells them that if they surrender he will grant them a painless death. Then, he mentions that they are the only humans left and shows them footages of cities being ravaged by the Calcinator Beam in order to undermine their morale.

Shortly after, Ro-Man contacts the Great Guidance and asks for some guidance, because, for the first time of his life, he's having doubts. Furious, the Great Guidance yells at him that he's starting to sound too much like a human, and makes it clear that if he fails to kill the last humans very soon, he will be killed.

During the following days, Ro-Man manages to locate two humans, who are taking off in a rocket to reach a space platform (which still has many people on it), and reports it to the Great Guidance. The Great Guidance decides to take care of it himself and uses the Cosmic Blast to blow up both the rocket and the space platform, killing all the people inside. Then, some footages of the destruction are sent to the scientist's family in order to crush their hopes. Once again, Ro-Man tells them to surrender and accept a painless death, or else he will go seek them out himself.

However, the family decides to contact Ro-Man and tries to convince him that the human race poses no threat to his people, and that they can live in peace. During the conversation, Ro-Man begins to take an interest in Alice, the scientist's older daughter.

Later, Ro-Man finds Carla, the scientist's younger daughter, and kills her. He contacts the Great Guidance to inform him of the girl's death, and takes the opportunity to ask permission to spare Alice. The Great Guidance gets angry at him and orders him to kill all the remaining humans without exception, which upsets Ro-Man.

Ro-Man eventually finds Alice and her husband Roy. He beats Roy to death and captures Alice before bringing her to his lair. As he wonders about the feelings he has for her, the Great Guidance contacts him and tells him to kill her. Ro-Man starts having second thoughts and says that for once, he'd like to make his own decision. He also asks why the Ro-Mans aren't allowed to have emotions. Irritated, the Great Guidance tells him to be careful, as he acts more and more like a human, and says that if he doesn't kill Alice, he will be destroyed. Ro-Man still refuses to obey, so the Great Guidance, furious, uses a powerful beam to kill him. In his wrath, he also uses the Cosmic Ray to ravage the planet, resurrect more dinosaurs and cause massive earthquakes, wishing to kill the humans and any other remaining lifeforms.

...And then, Alice's brother Johnny wakes up, apparently having hit his head and dreamed the whole movie. However, as he starts going home with his family, the Great Guidance suddenly appears on Earth. Three times.

Mitigating Factors?

First of all, yes, this is a Z movie... However, by Z movies standards, the plot does make sense, for the most part (except maybe the thing about the presence of dinosaurs...). And there are villains from other Z movies who managed to qualify, such as The Master from Manos: The Hands of Fate.

Also, even if the Great Guidance's physical appearance is pretty ridiculous, he is still treated very seriously within the film.

The other potential issue is that the ending seems to suggest that most of the movie was Johnny's dream. But, if I'm not mistaken, there have already been some stories revealed to be All Just a Dream that still had CM (for instance, the TV version of Episode of Chopper Plus: Bloom in Winter, Miracle Sakura), or even some stories that are fictional In-Universe, as long as they form complete and coherent stories.
Plus, after Johnny wakes up, the Great Guidance appears, which means that he's very much real. It's hard to know what the ending really means, maybe the boy had a prophetic dream or something, but one thing is for sure, the Great Guidance does exist.

BTW, even though he only appears in a few scenes, he's not a GDV. He's shown to be irascible, authoritarian, impatient, bossy, etc...

Freudian Excuse?

At one point, Ro-Man mentions that the reason he was sent to exterminate humanity is because the Ro-Mans are afraid that the humans may end up posing a threat to them. However, even In-Universe the characters call this bullshit and accuse the Ro-Mans of simply enjoying killing beings weaker than them. Considering they immediately decided to massacre humanity without even trying to check if they could live in peace with us, it's quite hypocritical of them to accuse us of being dangerous.

Furthermore, the Great Guidance is clearly portrayed as a brutal and ruthless individual who hates any living being capable of feeling emotions, so his reasons for wanting to wipe out all the humans come across as Fantastic Racism. Plus, there is the fact that he was planning to colonize the planet.

Also, even though the Great Guidance is some kind of alien/robot/monster thing, it's very clear that his species CAN feels emotions, including love, empathy, compassion or mercy, but the Great Guidance intentionally chooses to suppress them, and apparently forces the other Ro-Mans to do the same, because he thinks feeling emotions is a weakness.

Redeeming Qualities?

Nothing, he spends all of his scenes acting like a cruel, violent, merciless and domineering douchebag, who refuses to even consider leaving any human alive, and is willing to kill even members of his own kind for the slightest reasons.

Heinous Standard

While Ro-Man XJ 2 is the one who caused the extermination of humanity, he was acting under the orders of the Great Guidance. Also, the Great Guidance participated personally, notably when he took care of destroying the rocket and the space platform that contained the majority of what was left of humanity. More importantly, Ro-Man himself has some redeeming qualities, he sincerely falls in love with Alice and becomes incapable of killing her, and eventually develops second thoughts about his mission and the way Ro-Mans are supposed to act.

The Great Guidance does not, and even kills Ro-Man for the "crime" of feeling human emotions, before ravaging the entire planet that he intended to colonize out of anger. Which, BTW, makes him a massive hypocrite, as he himself clearly displays some very human emotions, not only anger and wrath, but also cruelty, impatience, and others.

In addition of being responsible for the extermination of all humanity, it seems like the Great Guidance is an oppressive tyrant who forces his own people to act as his robotic slaves and forbids them to feel any emotion, or else he will kill them. Without him, the Ro-Mans would probably be a much more peaceful species.

Verdict

If the dream thing isn't an issue, then I think that, Z movie or not, the Great Guidance can qualify. What about you, guys?

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#219137: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:18:47 PM

Yes to Deathstroke. No to Claire. I'll read Great Guidance later, but happy birthday, Mimic!

@ACW: Shouldn't we post the Kabukicho entries to the Sherlock Holmes page as well, under a new section? After all, it is a Sherlock Holmes work.

EDIT: [tdown] to the Great Guidance; it seems too ambiguous whether or not the events of the movie actually happened, and characters from All Just a Dream scenarios actually cannot qualify.

Edited by falcontalons on Jun 28th 2020 at 12:46:14 PM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#219138: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:21:28 PM

I...huh, shit, I guess it should. Okay, so we got 42.

EDIT: 43. I redid the Malazan tree and removed the gravedancing from Bidithal's.

Edited by ACW on Jun 28th 2020 at 3:27:37 PM

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Smiley100P Since: Sep, 2017
#219139: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:35:07 PM

[tup] to Great Guidance. Happy birthday, Mimic!

Edited by Smiley100P on Jun 28th 2020 at 12:40:03 PM

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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#219141: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:24:30 PM

Pothole suggestions:

And that's all I have for now

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Jun 28th 2020 at 1:27:09 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#219142: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:27:57 PM

[tup] to Milverton and Deathstroke, [tdown] to Kamdor, Vexacus and BouClaire. Abstain on Whitehead and the Great Guidance.

Edited by CloisterTheStupid on Jun 28th 2020 at 9:29:01 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#219143: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:40:53 PM

I'll do those tomorrow, but as the one who did him, I'm not sure that works for Mengele. He's not really "light".

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#219144: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:46:23 PM

....That trope Light Is Not Good only applies if the character has light / holy trappings. Pretty sure that doesn't apply to mengele.

Edited by miraculous on Jun 28th 2020 at 1:46:46 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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#219146: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:55:18 PM

That's only if it's the characters actual name.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
hegelvonaxel Since: Feb, 2018
#219147: Jun 28th 2020 at 2:10:07 PM

I will again rewrite Lucifer from Divine Comedy.

Original

  • The Divine Comedy: Dis/Satan was once "the highest of all creatures", above every angel and man gifted by the Highest Joy with immortality, invincibility, super intelligence, and perfect happiness. However, Dis came to love his superiority to the lower angels and only that superiority, making the supremacy of his Father unbearable. In acting on this pride, he convinced his fellow angels and the first humans to rebel against the Love known as God. With his rebellion, the Devil introduced all the evil, suffering, and death that would ever be into the world while condemning any who followed him to Inferno, a realm where beings built for eternal Paradise have been corrupted into murderers drowning in the fiery blood of their victims and cannibals biting into the corpses of their children. With his angelic intelligence, Dis knew all of this would happen if he carried out his "arrogant rape", yet brought all of the tortures and crimes described in Inferno into existence without any remorse.

Rewrite

  • The Divine Comedy: Lucifer was once "the highest of all creatures", above every angel and man gifted by the Highest Joy with immortality, invincibility, super intelligence, and perfect happiness. However, Lucifer came to love his superiority to the lower angels and only that superiority, making the supremacy of his Father unbearable. In acting on this pride, he convinced his fellow angels and the first humans to rebel against the Love known as God. With his rebellion, the Devil introduced all the evil, suffering, and death that would ever be into the world while condemning any who followed him to Inferno. With his angelic intelligence, Lucifer knew all of this would happen if he carried out his "arrogant rape", yet brought all of the tortures and crimes described in Inferno into existence without any remorse.

1) He is only called Dis once by Vergil while narration calls him Lucifer twice.

2) Only people drowning in blood are those who were murders and tyrants while they were alive. They weren't corrupted into murders.

3) No one eats corpses of his children in Inferno. Ugolino did that while he was alive.

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#219148: Jun 28th 2020 at 2:12:25 PM

[up]People said they think the writeup is fine as it is.

Edited by falcontalons on Jun 28th 2020 at 2:12:41 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#219149: Jun 28th 2020 at 2:19:17 PM

Although, if the second and third things are inaccurate, I'm fine changing those.

As for Mengele, I'll just pothole sadist.

Edited by ACW on Jun 28th 2020 at 5:19:51 AM

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#219150: Jun 28th 2020 at 2:30:54 PM

Abstain on the Great Guidance.

[tdown] to Queen Bouclaire.

By the way, anymore thoughts on this quote?


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