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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#218901: Jun 26th 2020 at 5:17:15 AM

[tup]Frieza

Although my problem with that "EP" is that it's not actually EP, but simply lyrics of the song, which is not formatted like an EP.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#218902: Jun 26th 2020 at 5:18:53 AM

[tup]Nachrade

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#218903: Jun 26th 2020 at 5:23:12 AM

[up][up] Yeah, I usually do that with my music ones; the lyrics pretty much speak for themselves.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#218904: Jun 26th 2020 at 6:17:28 AM

Yes to Frieza and Alexei.

Abstain on Tord.

Cut the Joker.

I won't be here for the rest of the weekend. I have decided for the sake of my declining mental health to take a weekend with out technology. See you guys Monday.

Edited by Bullman on Jun 26th 2020 at 8:17:32 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#218906: Jun 26th 2020 at 6:41:33 AM

[tup] Frieza and Alexei

Cut Joker. Figured this would happen considering the tone of the show, plus what I’ve glimpses of later episodes. Can’t say I was surprised.

It's Spooky Month!
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#218907: Jun 26th 2020 at 7:08:07 AM

Yes to Wilson, Frieza, and Alexei.

Cut Joker.

Wishing you well, Bullman!

Edited by falcontalons on Jun 26th 2020 at 7:29:36 AM

captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#218908: Jun 26th 2020 at 7:26:00 AM

[tup] Alexei Nachrade, Wilson

Agree we should cut Joker.

I'm gonna say [tdown] to Tord. Nasty and it's a good and thorough EP, but the humour Vs heinousness tone seems too inconsistent.

Apologies for the delay in writing up the Oxventure candidates, the UK has had a bloody awful heatwave and it's made me fall a bit ill. I'm almost back to full!

Edit: I've finished the main story for the Pokémon DLC, PM me if you wanna discuss it before we talk about it here first.

Edited by captainmarkle on Jun 26th 2020 at 7:26:47 AM

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#218909: Jun 26th 2020 at 8:18:07 AM

Just finished watching the season 2 finale of Harley Quinn. Man, was this season crazy. PM for any new keepers, even though we just cut the show's one keeper not too long ago.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#218910: Jun 26th 2020 at 8:25:34 AM

[tup]Nachrade & Frieza

[tdown]Tord (bit too silly)

Cut Joker (there’s a phrase I never thought we say)

Edited by nwotyzal on Jun 26th 2020 at 10:57:09 AM

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#218911: Jun 26th 2020 at 8:54:32 AM

Cut Ridley and Joker. [tup] to Nachrade. [tdown] to Tord, as his affable moments seem genuine.

Take all the time you need, Bullman.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#218912: Jun 26th 2020 at 9:08:04 AM

[tup] to Aaron Wilson and Alexei Nachrade.

Abstain on Tord.

Feel better soon Bullman.

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#218913: Jun 26th 2020 at 9:29:17 AM

[tdown]Joker.

Why so serious?
PsychoticRanger4567 Since: Mar, 2019
#218914: Jun 26th 2020 at 9:50:09 AM

Just a blindly curious question here. Does there happen to be any monstrous depictions of Vandal Savage in any fan works, fan fiction, fan stories, crossovers, etc? I don't know any, but I actually has hoping you guys would try to find some examples here. Even if it is just one, I wouldn't really mind. Thanks!

PsychoticRanger4567 Since: Mar, 2019
#218915: Jun 26th 2020 at 9:57:40 AM

Also, do you know any Steven Universe monsters in fan fiction? The ones you put there only show crossover villains? Again, just want to know. The same question for any Danny Phantom, Fables, Power Rangers, The Fairly Odd Parents, Slaughter Me Street, Borderlands, Walking Dead, maybe even the Teletubbies or Sponge Bob Square Pants? Just wanna know if there are any monsters there in any of these fan fictions or crossovers, if not, then I understand, and I can look for myself. No, I don't know any examples, that's why I'm asking. Thanks, and hope you can tell me soon!

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#218916: Jun 26th 2020 at 9:58:37 AM

It's not our job to look for crossover fics. If there is one that you had in mind, feel free to EP them.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#218917: Jun 26th 2020 at 10:03:46 AM

Also it's easy enough to find the Vandal Savage versions, by looking at the relevant monster subpages. Same with the fanfic questions, actually, just check the fanfic monster page

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#218918: Jun 26th 2020 at 10:11:27 AM

@ Psychotic Ranger 4567, I just proposed a version of Vandal Savage from a Star Trek/Legion of Superheroes crossover.

Yes to Aaron Wilson, Alexei Nachrade, Freizia and Corneo.

Cut Joker and Ridley.

Abstain on Tord.

Speaking of Savage, here is the write up:

  • Star Trek/Legion Of Super-Heroes: Vandar of Stone is a combination of the immortals Vandal Savage and Flint in an combined Star Trek/DC Universe timeline, inheriting all Savage's cruelty and none of Flint's positive qualities. Vandar as a caveman manages to capture the god being Q and uses the power of the Q to rewrite history, enslaving humanity, and becomes dictator of Earth. Vandar then decides to conquer the universe, sending out of his troops to conquer other planets. We see his forces violently conquer alien species like the Durlans and the Xudarians and trick the Klingons and Khunds into going to war with each other. Later Vandar captures several members of the Enterprise crew and the Legion of Superheroes, plans to torture them to death using the Agony Booths.

Edited by Overlord on Jun 26th 2020 at 10:14:32 AM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#218921: Jun 26th 2020 at 10:51:12 AM

[tup] to Freiza and Alexei.

Abstain on Tord.

@43: I know Knight said Ridley was based on his manga version in the initial EP, but where did they express concern?

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#218922: Jun 26th 2020 at 11:03:31 AM

[tup] to Frieza and Alexei Nachrade.

Abstain on Tord.

Edited by DrUnknown on Jun 26th 2020 at 11:04:00 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#218924: Jun 26th 2020 at 11:39:32 AM

So tonight before I go to bed I'll lock Dick Tracy and Discworld, submit the quotes, and cut Joker.

I'll write up Frieza (unless there's a massive vote reversal) this weekend. Under 20 so far this week.

Edited by ACW on Jun 26th 2020 at 2:43:45 PM


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