During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Yes to Frieza and Alexei.
Abstain on Tord.
Cut the Joker.
I won't be here for the rest of the weekend. I have decided for the sake of my declining mental health to take a weekend with out technology. See you guys Monday.
Edited by Bullman on Jun 26th 2020 at 8:17:32 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Alexei Nachrade, Wilson
Agree we should cut Joker.
I'm gonna say
to Tord. Nasty and it's a good and thorough EP, but the humour Vs heinousness tone seems too inconsistent.
Apologies for the delay in writing up the Oxventure candidates, the UK has had a bloody awful heatwave and it's made me fall a bit ill. I'm almost back to full!
Edit: I've finished the main story for the Pokémon DLC, PM me if you wanna discuss it before we talk about it here first.
Edited by captainmarkle on Jun 26th 2020 at 7:26:47 AM
Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.Just a blindly curious question here. Does there happen to be any monstrous depictions of Vandal Savage in any fan works, fan fiction, fan stories, crossovers, etc? I don't know any, but I actually has hoping you guys would try to find some examples here. Even if it is just one, I wouldn't really mind. Thanks!
Also, do you know any Steven Universe monsters in fan fiction? The ones you put there only show crossover villains? Again, just want to know. The same question for any Danny Phantom, Fables, Power Rangers, The Fairly Odd Parents, Slaughter Me Street, Borderlands, Walking Dead, maybe even the Teletubbies or Sponge Bob Square Pants? Just wanna know if there are any monsters there in any of these fan fictions or crossovers, if not, then I understand, and I can look for myself. No, I don't know any examples, that's why I'm asking. Thanks, and hope you can tell me soon!
@ Psychotic Ranger 4567, I just proposed a version of Vandal Savage from a Star Trek/Legion of Superheroes crossover.
Yes to Aaron Wilson, Alexei Nachrade, Freizia and Corneo.
Cut Joker and Ridley.
Abstain on Tord.
Speaking of Savage, here is the write up:
- Star Trek/Legion Of Super-Heroes: Vandar of Stone is a combination of the immortals Vandal Savage and Flint in an combined Star Trek/DC Universe timeline, inheriting all Savage's cruelty and none of Flint's positive qualities. Vandar as a caveman manages to capture the god being Q and uses the power of the Q to rewrite history, enslaving humanity, and becomes dictator of Earth. Vandar then decides to conquer the universe, sending out of his troops to conquer other planets. We see his forces violently conquer alien species like the Durlans and the Xudarians and trick the Klingons and Khunds into going to war with each other. Later Vandar captures several members of the Enterprise crew and the Legion of Superheroes, plans to torture them to death using the Agony Booths.
Edited by Overlord on Jun 26th 2020 at 10:14:32 AM

Although my problem with that "EP" is that it's not actually EP, but simply lyrics of the song, which is not formatted like an EP.