During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Good point, though MOTI also made Marx and Lavos more sadistic than they were in canon. Has this Ridley been confirmed as based on the manga version?
I really think onus ought to be to prove the difference, being a CM is not the default.
Lizzid people!
But that he also put a new perspective on those two mentioned. Like more personality, motivation, etc. Essentially tapping into their psyche.
Edited by AustinDR on Jun 25th 2020 at 7:17:29 AM
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to Aaron
The Draftsman of Doom
Aaron Wilson.
Wilson and Corneo
![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Scarlet King.
Cut Ridley
@43: Not sure what you mean by that. But my opinion (which, admittedly, could be wrong) is that we seem to be simply assuming this is Manga!Ridley, rather than Game!Ridley with a dose of Adaptational Villainy (for lack of a better term). And since MOTI has given such treatments to Marx and Lavos, I think this is a problematic assumption, considering there's an arguably more viable alternate explanation for Ridley's sadistic personality as portrayed in the song. Do we have any evidence that he's based on Manga!Ridley, specifically?
Lizzid people!
TBF, Knight did raise the idea that it was inspired off the manga version.
Wilson
Edited by AustinDR on Jun 25th 2020 at 8:45:47 AM
Hmm... well, I guess he either caught something I missed or was mistaken. Since he's the one who did the EP, I'd like to hear his reasoning.
Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Jun 25th 2020 at 8:54:18 AM
Wilson
Another quote:
Sadist of the noblest blood
Destroying, without mercy
To benefit the Aryan race
Surgery, with no anesthesia
Fell the knife pierce you intensely
Inferior, no use to mankind
Strapped down screaming out to die"
Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Jun 25th 2020 at 8:59:51 AM
EDITED TO LET KYLO TAKE IT.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jun 25th 2020 at 11:36:04 AM
to the Mengele quote
He mentioned that initially and he's restated his concerns... I don't think this is enough to keep Ridley off.
Lizzid people!
I agree, just thought to link the EP.
to the Josef Mengele quote.
Speaking of, I found a potential quote from Quan Chi. What do you guys think:
Edited by DrUnknown on Jun 25th 2020 at 10:17:24 AM
Anyway, it's been two weeks since Episode 11 of Season 2 of Harley Quinn. I bring this up because with this episode? We're cutting Joker.
For context, Joker lost his memories and started dating a woman and helping raise her kids. Joker then regained his memories so that Harley could force him to tell her where Fables' book was to free the Justice League. In the episode, Joker realizes that when he was amnesiac, he discovered love for the first time, and after initially being against it, changes his mind and decides to get back with the woman and help raise her kids (though he says he'll continue his life of crime)
So yeah, Harley Quinn Joker has been given redeeming qualities. I'll talk about the other villains two weeks after the season finale today.
Edited by Awesomekid42 on Jun 28th 2020 at 10:01:53 AM
to Joker.
Lizzid people!
Not surprised with what happened to the Joker. Cut.
The wifi here sucks
What a weird turn of events. Yes though. to keeping the Joker based on what Awesomekid said.
![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
Kylo thought he was leading the Artemis Fowl discussion here too due to a misunderstanding. Again, very sorry.
I edited out my previous post about it so Kylo can say it instead.
My name was next to the date this whole time. I switched it out for Kylo’s though.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jun 25th 2020 at 11:43:59 AM
Yeah, cut Joker. It wasn't an Ass Pull since those redeeming qualities are basically from his sane side, but it's still sad to see him go. The show's still fucking awesome.
Likewise not surprised: cut away.
You don't get much more clear-cut than this. Bye-bye, HQ!Joker.
