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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#217301: Jun 12th 2020 at 1:32:57 PM

After giving it some thought and reading Lightysnake's post, I can see how the crime is unique enough, so I'll switch to an abstain.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#217302: Jun 12th 2020 at 1:41:23 PM

Where did this most recent discussion on the klinefelds begin? I feel like i've missed some of the argument

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#217303: Jun 12th 2020 at 1:43:51 PM

Uh well if were doing this for the klienfields. Ignoring who we already have from csi. Theirs.

Kevin Greer he kidnaps woman and then sketches their pleas for mercy before raping and murdering them. Also has 5 victims on his own.

Clay Dobson who kidnaps woman, and then rapes and tortures them over a period of 3 weeks. Has 3 victims.

Kip miller who uh bites and rapes 4 woman.

Colin Clark forces his victims to destroy any evidence hes their. 15 victims.

Among others. Raping and killing four people really isnt that unique here.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#217304: Jun 12th 2020 at 1:44:35 PM

Well 6 with attempted. My argument is the "rape and torture, force the husband to watch and then force him to kill his wife" is the unique part.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#217305: Jun 12th 2020 at 1:45:02 PM

Don’t care what happens with the Klinefields and if Vidal’s gets the point across, it’s fine. When I brought up Frye and Darrow there were factual inaccuracies in the entry and looking up history on them just seems to show me constantly piling on new information, let’s not twist that into a precedent to start tweaking something perfectly serviceable.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#217306: Jun 12th 2020 at 1:49:11 PM

[tup] to the Wasp King, Sauron, Roach Scientists and Emperor Alexander.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#217307: Jun 12th 2020 at 1:49:29 PM

You know I think I’ll vote to keep the Kleinfielfds. That MO is so cruel that it’s enough for them to stand out. Also I would definitely love to see an EP on Jason since baby murder is extremely rare and god awful

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falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#217308: Jun 12th 2020 at 1:50:04 PM

@Library: It started when ACW brought them up here.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#217309: Jun 12th 2020 at 1:54:11 PM

Uh ill leave Jason for anyone who wants to do him. Id rather do Colin whose episode I have seen. Dude is a piece of work.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#217310: Jun 12th 2020 at 1:55:38 PM

Sure to Alexander. Any more thoughts on these quotes?

RIP KissAnime.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#217311: Jun 12th 2020 at 1:58:25 PM

Joffrey's is fine. Reaver...I dunno it doest strike me as pure evil. Maybe Deadly Game or Killer Game Master

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#217312: Jun 12th 2020 at 2:42:27 PM

Just a thing, before I make some more EP's, I have to ask what was Sarah Mass from Goosebumps United cut for? was it A) because it was technically a case of Ron the Death Eater (she was a jerk in canon, but not CM jerk) or B) because she was submitted by the author of the original work.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#217314: Jun 12th 2020 at 2:43:51 PM

Both I think. Right?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#217316: Jun 12th 2020 at 2:48:14 PM

This is what a search would have told you.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#217317: Jun 12th 2020 at 2:49:26 PM

Right, thank you. So does that mean I could propose or no because of the former issue (I was going to binge read the fics I want to propose)?

Edited by nwotyzal on Jun 12th 2020 at 2:53:30 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#217319: Jun 12th 2020 at 3:01:38 PM

nwot, buddy, I'm not trying to be a dick but you could get the answer to that question reading what's already been posted on this page.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#217320: Jun 12th 2020 at 3:03:34 PM

Was Sarah even properly approved. All I see their are abstains and some down votes.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#217321: Jun 12th 2020 at 3:33:35 PM

[up] Who's the new avatar (and who was the previous one that looked like Bruce Willis?)?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#217322: Jun 12th 2020 at 3:34:56 PM

It's Toffee from Star vs the Forces of evil

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#217323: Jun 12th 2020 at 3:37:48 PM

[up][up]Previous dude was Hades from Once Upon a Time. He was played by Greg Germann and was based on his Disney version hence the blue fire hair

Edited by miraculous on Jun 12th 2020 at 3:38:09 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DelphineTheDelphox I thought sharks were my friends. from The Alola Region Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I thought sharks were my friends.
#217324: Jun 12th 2020 at 3:48:34 PM

Counting myself, there are just enough yes votes for Joffrey's quote. Any more for Reaver's?

RIP KissAnime.
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#217325: Jun 12th 2020 at 3:53:29 PM

[tup] to Alexander and Joffery’s quote

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