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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#217126: Jun 10th 2020 at 4:27:35 PM

[tup] for Reverend Trevor.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#217127: Jun 10th 2020 at 4:36:36 PM

Fun fact for csi of the three shows 14 most prolific serial killers we have now discussed all but 3 who could maybe still keep in suspect x and Jared briscoe maybe Michelle Baldwin.

We removed shane Casey and Nate Haskell. I think Terry lee wicker, Marty pino and Walter resden seem to have redeeming qualities going off wiki entries. And approved the zetas, Gordon Daimler, Tom Cooley, stewart otis, Henry darius and Jenny Carroll.

So we're close to the end from this section at least.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#217128: Jun 10th 2020 at 4:44:46 PM

Saying yes to the good Reverend.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#217129: Jun 10th 2020 at 4:48:39 PM

Yeah, Wicker has a redeeming quality according to his entry, otherwise he'd EASILY count.

Haskell...it'd be interesting to see if he DOES have agency issues.

Was Shane the one who cared about his brother?

Also, I gotta say it, but while Laura's still a keep, the Klinefelds may have to go. They're a bit crueler, but only 4 killings and 2 attempted.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#217130: Jun 10th 2020 at 5:03:12 PM

Did we discuss Haskell before or was it Wicker? I remembered discussion about one of them

Edited by G-Editor on Jun 10th 2020 at 2:03:36 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#217131: Jun 10th 2020 at 5:03:37 PM

Didn't we down vote Haskell a few months ago because of his tragic backstory. Agency isn't a problem as csi Langston has the same condition.

Yeah Casey cared about his brother. He was up before the thread started but was removed because of that.

Edited by miraculous on Jun 10th 2020 at 5:03:56 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#217132: Jun 10th 2020 at 5:22:33 PM

G-Editor: Ah sorry, I misread what you wrote.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#217133: Jun 10th 2020 at 5:48:19 PM

Wait now that miraculous has mentioned Michelle Baldwin from CSI: Miami, I did see her episode "Bloodlust" a while back. I wasn’t unsure about her at first, but since mir did mentioned that she could count, what do I have left to lose. With that here goes nothing.

Who Is She? What Has She Done?

Michelle Baldwin is a sadistic Serial Killer appearing in the Season nine episode, "Bloodlust" where she would manipulate her husband Dennis into kidnapping women for her to kill.

She would pretend to be a kidnapped victim of her husband serving as a Hope Spot for the kidnapped women pretending to help them escape only for her husband to appear and recapture the women where Michelle would proceed to rip out the women’s finger nails before killing them horrendously and dumping their bodies like trash.

She kept the finger nails as trophies of the women she killed revealing to have 12 finger nails from the women and thus revealing to have killed 12 innocent women one of which Michelle personally strangled to death, and later has Wendy Gibson kidnapped hoping to make Wendy her 13th victim.

Fortunately, Wendy was rescued so Michelle and her husband decide to make CSI worker Natalia Boa Vista their 13th victim. Thankfully Natalia was also rescued by her CSI team where they then proceed to shot her husband dead and take Michelle into custody

Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?

There isn’t an excuse given to why she killed those 12 women other than to suffice her own bloodlust while showing absolutely no remorse in killing those innocent women, merely saying that they were just lucky to be part of something greater, AKA her victims.

My one concern for her is her husband Dennis whom she manipulates into kidnapping those women for her, saying that those women got what they deserve for "trying to steal her husband" and did seem distraught that Dennis got killed.

However does she get over it after being taken into custody where she then says that Dennis was lucky to get to be her accomplice, suggesting that she merely saw him as a valuable tool and given that she the one whose manipulating him to get more women for her to kill really just brings be back to where I explained that she’s committing those murders to full her sadism.

Heinousness

Having a high body count of 12 women all of whom she psychologically tortures before ripping their fingernails from their hands before killing them in gruesome manners, with one victim being strangled to death while manipulating someone into becoming an accomplice for her murders, I’d say she’s heinous enough to stand out.

Final Verdict?

I’ll leave that decision for you guys.

Edited by G-Editor on Jun 10th 2020 at 2:48:57 AM

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#217134: Jun 10th 2020 at 5:59:06 PM

Yes to the Reverend, cautious no to Michelle given that she seemed to mourn her husband.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#217135: Jun 10th 2020 at 6:11:23 PM

Nay to Michelle due to the redeeming feature. If she's distraught over his death...

Edited by Lightysnake on Jun 10th 2020 at 6:12:53 AM

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#217137: Jun 10th 2020 at 6:17:17 PM

[tdown] Michelle

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#217138: Jun 10th 2020 at 6:27:42 PM

No to Michelle. Don't mean to come off rude but this sounds like another case of grasping at straws to downplay a blatant redeeming feature.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#217139: Jun 10th 2020 at 6:35:26 PM

Likewise gotta say no, can't see this as anything but a redeeming feature.

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#217140: Jun 10th 2020 at 7:16:40 PM

[tdown] to Michelle. Abstain on the Rev. Trevor. Apologies to all the E Ps I missed.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#217141: Jun 10th 2020 at 7:29:30 PM

[tup]Trevor

[tdown]Michelle

Edited by nwotyzal on Jun 10th 2020 at 7:29:38 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#217143: Jun 10th 2020 at 7:39:40 PM

[tup] to Trevor

[tdown] To Michelle

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#217146: Jun 10th 2020 at 10:41:54 PM

Does anybody know if the New 52 and Rebirth are in the same continuity? Because if so we gotta cut Grodd. He's revealed to have loved his mother, to the point of not killing Barry because they both lost their moms.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#217147: Jun 10th 2020 at 10:47:00 PM

...that is not a character who I expected them to pull a Even Bad Apes Love Their Mamas with.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#217148: Jun 10th 2020 at 11:01:43 PM

I know that the DC Database lists the 52 and Rebirth as both taking place in Prime Earth, but technically Rebirth is a continuity reboot rather than a continuation (god I hate continuity reboots), so I think he could stay.

Edited by nwotyzal on Jun 10th 2020 at 11:01:55 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#217149: Jun 10th 2020 at 11:45:03 PM

[tdown]Michelle

G I said that she could maybe count. Same with the other two assuming the episode didn't have anything redeeming. Not that she actually does count. I haven't seen those episodes.

Edited by miraculous on Jun 10th 2020 at 11:48:18 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#217150: Jun 11th 2020 at 12:23:46 AM

[tup] Trevor

[tdown] Michelle

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