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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
#217101: Jun 10th 2020 at 12:18:45 PM

Ok so what do we do with candiates whose placement on the heinousness standard is very variable and dependant on playthrough. For instance a villain may be really, really bad but how bad they are depends on what route the player takes and in some routes they are squarely outheinoused by worse villains.

There is a candiate I am looking at that has this issue. This work has some time before it comes out but from what I know this candiate has this issue where they have really evil plans but don't have enough time to implement them before being outstaged by a even worse candiate and most of their job is to prepare things for the even worse villain, and that job seems to be "giving worse villain technology" over anything really evil.

What could be done in this case?

Edited by xie323 on Jun 10th 2020 at 12:18:52 PM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#217102: Jun 10th 2020 at 12:23:35 PM

@ACW done, gonna go into Web Originals

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#217103: Jun 10th 2020 at 12:26:51 PM

@ Xie, We measure intent, not success and given they go the full mile to implement their atrocities if given the time to, I'd say that proves intent for the other routes.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#217104: Jun 10th 2020 at 12:34:19 PM

And if it IS just one route where they count, I'm fine specifying that in the writeup.

EDIT: MGD gave me a good header for Dick Tracy. We still need a quote and image.

Edited by ACW on Jun 10th 2020 at 4:58:45 AM

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#217105: Jun 10th 2020 at 2:47:32 PM

Here's my write-up on Dimentio. It is around the same length as the canon Dimentio's entry:

Together Again: Dimentio is a sociopathic jester who wants to acquire the Chaos Heart to wipe out all of existence and then use the Crystal Heart to create his own "perfect" world. He first told Blumiere's father about his son's affair with Timpani, knowing that he would separate the two and wipe out Timpani's memory, which would drive Blumiere into using the Chaos Heart and allowing Dimentio to take it for himself. Dimentio also transformed Timpani from a human into a Pixl to further separate her from Blumiere and out of sheer amusment. When Blumiere is defeated by the heroes, Dimentio attempts to kill Mario, which severely injures Timpani instead when she shields Mario. After taking the Chaos Heart from Blumiere, Dimentio plans to marry Timpani and acquire the Crystal Heart, allowing him to proceed with his plan to wipe out existence. When Timpani escapes with the aid of Crystal, Dimentio catches up to the heroes and physically torments both Crystal and Blumiere, happily ready to kill them both.

Edited by DrUnknown on Jun 10th 2020 at 2:48:27 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#217106: Jun 10th 2020 at 3:05:54 PM

[up][up]Are the comics online. I could check if theirs a pic.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#217107: Jun 10th 2020 at 3:13:09 PM

The strip I don't know, but Forever is.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#217108: Jun 10th 2020 at 3:43:17 PM

Okay, so given that my latest EP fail because I completely misinterpreted that scene where Yan was explaining to Liang on what the son did where he didn't make a complete appearance from Good Hunting (I genuinely thought that he made some sort of flashback appearance when Yan was telling Liang what the son did was enough, but I guess not), I decided to go on another break from proposing stuff. I don't know when I'll be back to proposing candidates (hopefully sooner than later), so I took my name out of the reservations of Hanna and The Umbrella Academy, so Hanna is up for grabs if anyone wants to reserve it (You'll have to PM Lighty and Morgather about UA though since they are still reserving it)

Edited by G-Editor on Jun 10th 2020 at 12:43:22 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#217109: Jun 10th 2020 at 3:49:34 PM

Late but definite 'Yes' to Krinkor

New one from the Ravok for ye all, coincidentally from a webcomic itself!

What's the work?

Sally the Ghost Hunter is a paranormal webcomic that seems to have unfortunately gone on hiatus for 4+ years now...following the titular ghost hunter Sally, she uses her connections to the afterlife, a mysterious benefactor, and a magic amulet to take on ghosts endangering innocents, and all for the low price of just paying her travel expenses!

Who is he?

Reverend Trevor is the Big Bad of the 3rd "Episode" in the series, Children of the Priest.

What has he done?

Decades ago a kind priest known for loving children, Trevor unfortunately valued his youth and appearance above all else, and when he began to grow older and elderly, Trevor took to studying the black arts and "took a page from Elizabeth Bathory." Soon enough, children around the town started disappearing, and when suspicious parents snuck into the church one night, they found a bevy of horrors...Trevor, bathing in a bathtub of blood, a child hanging upside with her throat slashed to fill it up, children's heads mounted on pikes in the room to give extra "oomph" to his evil bath salts.

Though slain by the horrified townsfolk, Trevor's spirit nonetheless continued haunting the area, until he eventually began stalking and coming to children in the night, giving them horrible nightmares and terrifying them into manic terror until he finally kills them and drains them of their blood.

Killing more than 10 children this way, their ghosts left bound to his church as twisted entities, Trevor is eventually confronted by our heroine Sally, and though he tries to Mind Rape and kill her so he can continue his child killing, Sally overcomes him and uses her amulet to defeat him and save the souls of his victims for good.

Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?

None at all, which is pretty damn unique for the webcomic, where almost all the rest of the villains have some sort of tragedy or redeeming feature to their ghostly actions...Trevor's just a vain sadist who tried to preserve his youth by killing kids, and now carries on with it out of mere cruelty's sake.

Trevor doesn't have any dialogue, to note, but we see plenty enough of him and get info on him to give him enough personality to count.

Heinousness?

Definitely bad enough even for this dark comic, Trevor's got the highest bodycount and is the most sadistic of the villains Sally encounters bar none. Only villain who comes close to Trevor in bodycount is Sam, but he's nothing but an abused boy who killed himself to escape his abusive life and now coaxes other kids to do the same, he's easily the most tragic figure in the comic and even then doesn't reach Trevor's viciousness.

Final Verdict?

General but easy Keeper.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#217110: Jun 10th 2020 at 3:51:19 PM

[tup]Trevor the Sinister Minister

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#217113: Jun 10th 2020 at 3:52:31 PM

[tup] Trevor. Mind linking to the comic? Also, methinks it's time to folderize Webcomics.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#217115: Jun 10th 2020 at 3:54:54 PM

Yes to Trevor.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#217116: Jun 10th 2020 at 3:56:29 PM

@ACW: No problem, I'll link to it in the write-up and here's the link to the comic as a whole for now.

Btw, for when Trevor goes up? Here's a solid pic for Image Links.

[down] Ahhhh right, forgot that about this site, mutilated children are totes fine, but vague nudity's a no-no! [lol] Ah well

Edited by Ravok on Jun 10th 2020 at 4:00:50 AM

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#217117: Jun 10th 2020 at 3:57:53 PM

Good image, but, um...I think the lady/girl's naked, so...

TiMBer1566 kittykat from Virginia Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
kittykat
#217118: Jun 10th 2020 at 3:59:53 PM

[tup] to Trevor. A CM with my name.

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#217119: Jun 10th 2020 at 4:05:04 PM

[tup] Trevor. Love a good horror webcomic.

It's Spooky Month!
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#217120: Jun 10th 2020 at 4:05:46 PM

[tup] to Trevor.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#217121: Jun 10th 2020 at 4:07:11 PM

[tup]Trevor.

Why so serious?
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#217123: Jun 10th 2020 at 4:14:04 PM

[tup] to Trevor

[down] well I’m not going to completely leave the thread. I’ll still do some voting and make other suggestions. I’m just taking a break from proposing candidates for the time being until I feel like I’m ready.

Edited by G-Editor on Jun 10th 2020 at 1:20:46 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#217124: Jun 10th 2020 at 4:17:59 PM

[tup] to Reverend Trevor.

G-Editor: Well no one wants you to feel you have to leave, but if you believe a hiatus is for the best, then I can only hope you return as quickly as possible.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#217125: Jun 10th 2020 at 4:27:09 PM

G, if you want someone, for CSI, we already have Laura Gabriel, but maybe her head Psycho for Hire Paul Olbrecht could count. Man, I remember when Laura and the Klinefelds were the only keepers from the main show.


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