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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#216601: Jun 5th 2020 at 8:50:15 PM

You know what, I think I'll give the Judge a tentative [tup]. I mean The Judge is only human and has less resources than most villain in the show, but I think he still manages to stand out due to being a Serial Killer who has a pretty high body count given the countless pairs of shoes that he has kept as his trophies, (I mean most of his victims were children)

Edited by G-Editor on Jun 5th 2020 at 5:57:10 AM

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#216602: Jun 5th 2020 at 8:59:44 PM

No to the judge, still flunks the heinous standard. G please stop raising the occasional comedy candidate you manage to get through when the vast majority of the time the result is an inaccurate EP which has to be refuted by someone else sitting through the work. You and the comedy proposals aren't mixing well, sorry.

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#216603: Jun 5th 2020 at 9:14:20 PM

I would probably say focus on more serious works for the time being. Maybe look into it when you're on your break? I don't want to say that I would be abstaining from any of your EPs because I don't trust you, but this is a continuous pressing issue.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#216604: Jun 5th 2020 at 9:16:40 PM

[tup] Le Blanc

[tdown] Bane, Zynnah, Havik and Judge

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Jun 6th 2020 at 3:25:57 AM

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#216605: Jun 5th 2020 at 9:17:11 PM

I admit comedies can be hard to pinpoint what they are going for sometimes. As I will admit, in hindsight that Murder Mystery effortpost I made may not have been the best idea but yes downplaying stuff is bad, even if you personally didn't find something funny or redeeming it still needs to be addressed if something that could potentially be mitigating.

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#216606: Jun 5th 2020 at 9:22:27 PM

[up][up] Wait, you both upvoted and downvoted the Judge?

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#216607: Jun 5th 2020 at 9:25:00 PM

Guys, the judge is just a serial killer, revealed at the end. Mass slaughter and murder is so common on this show he doesn't remotely near punching out of his weight class. We cut candidates for this before from other settings.

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#216608: Jun 5th 2020 at 9:26:24 PM

[up] Serial killer of children. But I admit, I would be shocked if he actually got upvoted.

Edited by emperors on Jun 5th 2020 at 12:27:40 PM

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Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#216609: Jun 5th 2020 at 9:27:04 PM

Random monsters are shown eating babies as early as the first few episodes. No, the Judge does not stand out even if he is a muggle.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#216610: Jun 5th 2020 at 9:29:33 PM

[up][up] Godbrand leads the slaughter of a whole village. Cho is shown to be intentionally targeting a mother and a child during that scene. Mass murder is commonplace, too.

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#216611: Jun 5th 2020 at 9:31:48 PM

Good points. Actually, the series heinous standard is probably now worse from Warhammer. If a serial child killer can't count... we will probably never get a CM. And that's totally fine. I am glad I E Ped him though. We settled it. Let's put him on Never Again.

Edited by emperors on Jun 5th 2020 at 12:32:10 PM

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Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#216612: Jun 5th 2020 at 9:35:24 PM

Stop it, Emperors. The NA list is not a dartboard to throw every single failed candidate upon (especially concerning an ongoing series). He doesn't count, move on.

Edited by Scraggle on Jun 5th 2020 at 10:35:58 AM

speyeker Since: Jan, 2001
#216613: Jun 5th 2020 at 11:06:31 PM

Having seen all of Castlevania, definite [tdown] to The Judge for the aforementioned reasons and a few more that aren't mentioned here. I'll admit, when I first saw this page and people talking about "The Judge" I initially assumed it was the Buffy villain. =S

captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#216615: Jun 5th 2020 at 11:59:24 PM

[tdown] the Judge, it sounds like child murder is depressingly common in that show. (I also thought this was the demon from Buffy)

I gave the Discworld thing more thought and might have found a good image. 50m 10s in, with Gilt about to throw a worker off the clacks tower to their death. (I'd do the timestamp myself but youtube mobile sucks). As he refers to this as "disposing of some assets", it could be captioned "Reacher Gilt prepares to dispose of some assets", perhaps?

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papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#216616: Jun 6th 2020 at 12:09:25 AM

I can't watch the video, it's blocked due to copyright. Maybe take a screenshot?

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#216617: Jun 6th 2020 at 1:19:07 AM

A bunch of Teatime screenshots from Hogfather movie for Discworld page:

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Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#216618: Jun 6th 2020 at 1:28:37 AM

[up] "Looking at someone meanly with a sword" =/= "Complete Monster". I don't think any of those pictures work.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#216619: Jun 6th 2020 at 1:56:02 AM

Than how about a screenshot of Gilt from the video that captainmarkle proposed few posts before?

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Jun 6th 2020 at 11:57:02 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#216620: Jun 6th 2020 at 2:15:22 AM

Anyway to brighten up that image? It'd be good if it weren't so dark.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#216621: Jun 6th 2020 at 2:31:27 AM

Okay now that you mention those scenes with the demons eating babies switching To no to the Judge. The heinous standard is way to high and it’s going to be a wallop for anyone to count

You know speaking of Castlevania wasn’t there this other villain who could count? I think he was Zobek from the Lords of Shadow trilogy. I mean I haven’t played those games myself so I can’t further comment on him

Edited by G-Editor on Jun 5th 2020 at 11:34:53 PM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#216622: Jun 6th 2020 at 2:34:19 AM

I think Scraggle was gonna look into that?

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#216623: Jun 6th 2020 at 3:30:01 AM

I meant to upvote that Alligator X guy. It's fixed now.

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#216624: Jun 6th 2020 at 3:35:58 AM

[tdown]The judge

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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