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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Godzillarich Since: Dec, 2012
#214726: May 24th 2020 at 11:08:59 AM

  • Monster Island Buddies: Godzilla from Earth 1215-84, aka "Massacre", is inadvertently empowered by the Oxygen Destroyer after annihilating Japan. Learning of the other dimensions, Massacre resolves to kill all other versions of himself to prove himself the strongest. When brought to Godzilla Prime's dimension he kills everyone around him and tears off Godzilla prime's leg. Continues his Massacre savagely slaughters the other Godzillas— including Chibi Godzilla a kid. Later bringing the unstable dimension device into a crowded city, Massacre sets it to explode if tampered with while going on yet another killing spree, during the final battle he stabs brutally stabbed Minilla to near death.

I think this will work best

Edited by Godzillarich on May 24th 2020 at 11:12:21 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#214727: May 24th 2020 at 11:14:27 AM

I'm fine with that:

  • Monster Island Buddies: Godzilla from Earth 1215-84, aka "Massacre", is inadvertently empowered by the Oxygen Destroyer after annihilating Japan. Learning of the other dimensions, Massacre resolves to kill all other versions of himself to prove himself the strongest. When brought to Godzilla Prime's dimension, Massacre he kills everyone around him and tears off Godzilla Prime's leg. Massacre then savagely slaughters the other Godzillas, including Chibi Godzilla. Later bringing the unstable dimension device into a crowded city, Massacre sets it to explode if tampered with while going on yet another killing spree, and during the final battle, brutally stabs Minilla to near-death.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#214728: May 24th 2020 at 11:56:50 AM

Some pothole suggestions:

And that's all I can think of at the moment.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#214729: May 24th 2020 at 12:01:46 PM

I don't know WHAT happened there with some of the film stuff. I had more potholes that aren't there; luckily the YMMV is fine.

I used Nun Too Holy for Gomez, and got the rest.

Edited by ACW on May 24th 2020 at 3:11:46 PM

captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#214730: May 24th 2020 at 12:06:57 PM

Okay, counting ten [tup] and one abstain for Carcer Dun. I'll wait a bit and let anyone else vote and write-up tomorrow.

To answer one or two questions: yes, Carcer can have his motivation summed up as For the Evulz. Lighty is entirely right: the only reason I re proposed Carcer is that the intended massacre of the street/barricade defenders was enough for him to stand out.

Edited by captainmarkle on May 24th 2020 at 12:09:02 PM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#214731: May 24th 2020 at 12:40:22 PM

One from our beloved Tod Slaughter now:

What's the work?

Curse of the Wraydons was a post-WW 2 melodrama/horror film set during the Napoleonic Wars...you know, Kim Newman said it best about the plot:

It's one "where the corrupt Squire Sedgefield (Andrew Laurence) is wheedling naval secrets out of young officers and passing them to ‘the Chief’ (Slaughter), who is spying for Napoleon and given to maintaining transparent disguises (as a blind beggar, for instance). Young Jack Wraydon (Bruce Seton), an officer whose athletic prowess is legendary (‘those queer tales about leaps of ten or fifteen feet are absurd, unless he’s got some trick boots with strong springs inside them’), is courting the Squire’s lovely daughter Helen (Lorraine Clewes) and feels compelled to fight a duel with an upstart who insulted her even though a recent military order has imposed a death sentence for duelling (this is the sort of extraneous business the film tells us about without needing to show). Helen has been warned off Jack because there’s reputedly insanity in his family"

....well, there is a madness in the family, and the villain? The 'Chief'...AKA: Philip Wraydon.

Who is Philip Wraydon?

The cackling madman, wicked and depraved as you can imagine from the king of melodrama. Philip is the brother of Sir George Wraydon, but lusted after Philip's wife and Jack's mother. When she refused his advances, Philip was seized of a fury and throttled her to death. George, unwilling to let the family name be stained by sending his brother to the gallows, sent him to an asylum in France, to rot and be forgotten...but Philip has contrived his release to serve as a spy for Napoleon. Enraged at his family, Philip first murders the people who know his true identity and returns to assist Squire Heeningham with spying...but also to destroy the Wraydons. Now, Jack is in big trouble for fighting a duel and is taken in. Philip? Murders a sentry on duty, leaving Jack as the seeming culprit.

philip want England itself invaded and burnt to the ground for its 'betrayal,' but first he wishes the Wraydons punished. Revealing himself to Heeningham, he reveals his gleeful cruelty and his sadistic inventions that he intends to use on his family. To continue to frame Jack, Philip becomes a serial killer. Cornering a young woman named Anne in the forests near the estate, Philip throttle her to death and begin murdering tons of people, leaving evidence pointing to Jack. Philip kills so many women that others are frightened to even go near the forests.

However, Heeningham is having second thoughts and others begin to close in on Philip, who captures one hero and begins torturing him by tying him to a board, asking a question and throwing a knife...missing, but with the possibility he might not. Jack, however, intervenes against his uncle, driving him back, but Philip gets the better of him and locks Jack and his father within his special pit: with walls that close in and crush them to a pulp. As he says? "‘This pit is my own invention. The walls close together, and they’ll crush you to pulp. Far more exciting to watch than the gallows or the guillotine. Death will be slow – very slow! But sure, sure as the Wraydon Curse!’ Gloating that he once taught George how to jump high...but not with iron balls chained to them.

However, Heeningham arrives and helps them, getting them out before Philip attacks him. Heeningham is killed but in the ensuing struggle, Philip is thrown into his own pit, shrieking and begging to be saved...before he is crushed to death. As put by the heroes? "a horrible death. But he deserved it."

Heinousness?

Not a problem. Wanting to see his family and England destroyed, tons of people murdered with his bare hands, torture...Philip's got it all.

Mitigating Qualities?

The Wraydon 'curse' is mentioned as some occasionally being insane. It's never made clear if this exits, but Philip isn't insane to a mitigating degree. He's just evil, homicidal, vindictive and nasty, fully in control of his actions and hamming up the wickedness every chance he gets. He plans everything to a T, all for the sake of revenge for a kinder fate than he ever deserved. Pass.

Conclusion?

A very easy keeper for good Tod Slaughter.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
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#214734: May 24th 2020 at 12:46:09 PM

[tup]wraydon.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#214735: May 24th 2020 at 12:46:30 PM

Yes to him.

"Philip is the brother of Sir George Wraydon, but lusted after Philip's wife"...I assume that's George's wife Philip lusted after?

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falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
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#214739: May 24th 2020 at 1:09:52 PM

[tup] Wraydon.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
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falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#214742: May 24th 2020 at 2:17:26 PM

Deleted this from underneath the Doctor's entry:

  • Many of the council were monsters. Sam, the priest, was into ritual sacrifice, Brett, the school principal, sold small children into sex slavery, Taylor, the doctor, helped with the Doctor's inhumane medical experiments, and Daniel betrayed the council to the doctor so that that Doctor could take all of the supernatural power for himself. Walter, the electric plant engineer, and Isabel, the warden, seem to have been relatively nice in comparison, but they were both in on the experiments in one way or another. Whether or not the mayor was aware of the deviancy of the other members is ambiguous, but since she knew that Sam performed rituals, then she probably had an inkling of the truth if not the whole picture.

Also cut this unapproved entry from Doctor Who S29 E5 "Evolution of the Daleks":

  • With the Daleks, this is a given, but the remaining three members of the Cult of Skaro's actions in this episode are especially heinous - overthrowing Sec after he decides that Daleks need to stop killing and try to become something else, chaining him up like an animal and then summarily executing him, and Dalek Caan tops that off by committing genocide onscreen. The Daleks are pretty loathsome, but it doesn't get much more loathsome than this. This episode more or less establishes that the Daleks are irredeemably evil and there is no saving them, no matter how much the Doctor would like to.

[down][down][down]Already did.

Edited by falcontalons on May 24th 2020 at 2:34:03 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#214744: May 24th 2020 at 2:28:37 PM

Okay, I think the Daleks are Made of Evil?, but for the other entry..."Brett, the school principal, sold small children into sex slavery" may be worth looking into.

WaryHoglet Since: Feb, 2016
#214745: May 24th 2020 at 2:33:17 PM

Yeah Daleks are all Made of Evil since they're all genetically engineered to only have hateful emotions, meaning none of them can ever count. Delete that.

Edited by WaryHoglet on May 24th 2020 at 2:33:42 AM

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#214746: May 24th 2020 at 2:39:34 PM

Even better Dalek Caan who that entry mentions eventually does a kinda Heel–Face Turn too. [lol]

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#214747: May 24th 2020 at 3:04:54 PM

Yes to Philip. Here's some image proposals.

Edited by papyru30 on May 24th 2020 at 5:45:24 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#214748: May 24th 2020 at 3:12:03 PM

First image is fine, but the second one is too blurry.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#214749: May 24th 2020 at 3:12:08 PM

[tup] to Carcer and Philip. Change to [tdown] on Kong, and [tdown] to Cthulhu.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#214750: May 24th 2020 at 3:22:50 PM

I like the Wesker pic. Can you find a better-quality version of the other?


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