During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I may have another after this but here is the next one
What is the Work
Monster Island Buddies is a comedy Godzilla series that occasionally dives into Drama and multi-arc storylines. It’s about the daily life of Godzilla and his buddies told with Godzilla toys.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
King Kong in this version comedy series is far more despicable than his Canon counterpart. before the series begins he kidnaps Gorosaurus making him into a slave and having his robot beat the crap out of him if he attempts to escape. Later he plans on conquering the entirety of Monster Island but is stopped by his old rival Godzilla. Planning his revenge he finds footage Godzilla and Mortha having sex. He shows this footage to Rodan causing him to fight Godzilla ultimately ending with Mortha’s death and Godzilla’s impending death from nuclear meltdown with Kong showing no remorse for his actions. Sometime later he marries Godzilla’s ex-wife Jirass to be used as a simple pawn and to take Minilla away from Godzilla, planning for Godzilla to take Gorosaurus with him when he retrieves his son so he can have him break the truce between the Earth monsters and Ghidorahs. If it wasn’t for a time-traveling Godzilla this war would’ve ended with the death of most the main characters. When Jirass asks about her son Kong coldly replies that he used her and if you want to save her son she better goes help. Manipulative and prideful King Kong his pettiness would cause the death of many more monsters long after his ultimate death.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
The only thing I can think of is he has a son however since Kong does not mention him he either doesn’t know he exists or purposely abandoned him
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Once again the series usually light and while Kong shows a comedic side it doesn’t change the fact that he’s surprisingly sociopathic
Final Verdict?
Edited by Godzillarich on May 24th 2020 at 6:38:32 AM
to Carnage, John Thomas "Tommy" Hunter, Alison Robinson, Etrigan and Professor James Moriarty.
ACW: Um I don't think Lovecraft ever really tallied up his creations in terms of power but generally its held Nyarlathotep is higher tier as he's an Outer God, whilst Cthulhu is a Great Old One.
However, Cthulhu is the most famous of all Lovecrafts creations so I can understand the confusion.
Edit:
to King Kong.
Edited by MGD107 on May 24th 2020 at 6:52:39 AM
Tommy, Allison, Etrigan, Moriarty, Vardalek (I really hated that guy even if the purge chapter made me want to hurl) and Dracula (Anno Dracula was really bloody good; bonus dick points to the guy for multiple things from the first book alone), King Kong
Also
to the Serpent; out of interest, do any of the Marvel shows from the Avengers Assemble / Ultimate Spider-Man / Guardians share continuity? Because I know Ronan's in the Hulk cartoon while Thanos was against the Avengers as well as the Guardians. Their writeups only seem to reflect their Guardians crimes, though (I liked the new write-ups, I don't think these need changing again).
EDIT: Condolences, Mir. Really sorry for your loss. Sorry I forgot this in the original post.
OK that makes sense!
Edit #2:
Cthulhu
Edited by captainmarkle on May 24th 2020 at 8:08:13 AM
Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
They have continuity, but it's so full of errors and loose that we treat each like it's own thing.
Edited by Bullman on May 24th 2020 at 9:40:30 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadOkay last one
What is the Work
Monster Island Buddies is a comedy Godzilla series that occasionally dives into Drama and multi-arc storylines. It’s about the daily life of Godzilla and his buddies told with Godzilla toys.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
Cthulhu the devil of monsters and the ultimate big bad of the series. Before the series began he gave great power to Destroyerah and Gojira to be his loyal followers, being responsible for the destruction the two committed. When Gojira found out about Cthulhu’s plan he was so horrified he thought the best course would be to destroy all of reality. In the series proper he defies the rest of the gods and taking advantage of Blundergosh drunken state by starting his monster apocalypse early, brings many demons some of which kill Kumonga, Kamacuras Mechani-Kong and various other innocent people and monsters. When Cthulhu finds out about Gojira betrayal he horrifically mutates Gojira into a horrific mindless slave constantly in pain to do his bidding. He brings back Kaiser Ghidorah, Ghidorah, and the Cloverfield monster to destroy all the monsters of Monster Island. During the final battle, he uses the demonic slave Gojira to kill Godzilla, Gojira own son. After this he pulls out his ultimate attack and nearly kills all of the monsters, laughing about the chaos of it all. Sadistic and power-hungry Cthulhu lives up to his title of Devil of all monsters
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
He’s destined to destroy everything but he gleefully enjoys all that he does so that’s hardly an excuse especially when he starts the apocalypse early
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
He does get some comedy moments but it doesn’t cover up his horrific body count
Final Verdict?
Now going to do the rough draft for King Kong
Edited by Godzillarich on May 24th 2020 at 7:49:31 AM

And one last one for the night, again long due on my part...
What's the setting?
Cthulhu Casebooks is a trilogy of novels by James Lovegrove, and yet another take on the Sherlock Holmes series...except with a difference; there's Lovecraftian magic all abound. We've seen Sherlock Holmes and Lovecraft crossovers in this thread before, but none from a full series. Cthulhu Casebooks brings us arguably one of the nastiest incarnations of a long-recurring character in this thread. A Crawling Chaos. A being of a thousand forms and a thousand faces. An Outer God infamous for his cruelty, cunning and sadism. I'm sure you all know his name, so let me say it aloud...
...Professor James Moriarty.
Who is Professor Moriarty? What has he done?
The Napoleon of Crime and Sherlock Holmes' only equal in intelligence, Moriarty begins the first novel, Shadwell Shadows, as bad but not too bad; Moriarty masterminds a scheme to sacrifice various innocents to a dark god he has pledged his allegiance to after he gets his gloves on the Necronomicon. Moriarty magically influences a man to suicide, uses a replica of an artifact called the Triophidian Crown to magically enslave an underground race of serpent-people, and murders his own minion when said minion tries to flake on Moriarty for Holmes.
The dark god Moriarty has pledged his faith to is none other than Nyarlathotep, ever the cunning dark Crawling Chaos in this continuity, and Moriarty tries to sacrifice Holmes to it for the power of a god able to exert his tyrannical will upon the entire world. Unfortunately, Nyarlathotep turns on Moriarty instead and drags him off, seemingly to his doom...except Moriarty seems to resign himself with ominous willingness to his fate with one more cunning smile...as it turns out, not only is Moriarty Too Spicy for Yog-Sothoth, he's too much for even the Crawling Chaos. Moriarty's soul manages to resist being devoured by Nyarlathotep and lives on, feeding off Nyarlathotep's power from within until Moriarty has fully managed to kill and possess Nyarlathotep.
Moriarty takes over Nyarly's power for his own, and becomes a terrifying new Outer God named R’luhlloig. James Moriarty—R’luhlloig—is no longer satisfied with ruling the Earth, and now wants power over all creation, even if he has to tear apart the entire universe. Moriarty manipulates the Outer Gods themselves and plunges them and the Great Old Ones into a massive, cosmic war. At one point, Watson sees through a psychic vision the heavenly land of Cathuria, which R’luhlloig has utterly destroyed, manipulating the Outer Gods into annihilating Cathuria and all of its vast cities, destroying countless lives and leaving the survivors as shattered slaves.
R’luhlloig crushes all the other Great Old Ones under his boot, conquering even the Dreamlands until he's left with Earth, the axis of all creation R’luhlloig instead to spill the Outer Gods and their servants upon, causing untold death and madness so Moriarty can rule as an absolute king.
R’luhlloig even continues up his petty habits with Holmes, returning to Earth time and time again for fifteen straight years just to torment Holmes. R’luhlloig has a nasty tendency to sucker corrupt souls into deals that entail loads of death and murder, which always inevitably ends with Moriarty possessing his pawn and either killing them from the inside-out or even sometimes leaving them aware and trapped in their own bodies. R’luhlloig has a wealthy cabal called the Dagon Club massacred, including Sherlock's own brother Mycroft, purely to hurt Holmes. R’luhlloig kills and possesses one of his servants just to rub the salt into Sherlock's wound, and pledges eventually he'll keep Sherlock and Watson as his tortured slaves by his side forever, until they eventually break and start to love their own tormentor.
R’luhlloig, in the climax, possesses the leader of a German archaeological team he's manipulated into his clutches, tricking one of his one minions into becoming a blood sacrifice for himself while cheerfully throwing away the rest to perish by the traps of the old Cthulhean temple he's digging through, as that's Moriarty's final goal; to Mind Rape Cthulhu himself into submission and finish his conquest of the Great Old Ones before turning the war to Earth. Cthulhu survives his assault, and Sherlock manages to trick R’luhlloig by appealing to the arrogant, human parts of Moriarty still within him to press him into directly confronting Cthulhu. An epic battle between gods ensues which the heroes can only see as vague apparitions in the sky, which ends as Cthulhu tears R’luhlloig in half, killing the Outer God formerly known as James Moriarty forever.
Any mitigating factors?
Moriarty-Nyarlathotep. Must I say a damn thing else? Moriarty has absolutely none of his occasional more redeeming moments there. He combines the criminal ambition of the Napoleon of Crime with the galactic cruelty of the Crawling Chaos, resulting in a character who is very much the nastiest of both sides. There's nothing to talk about here.
Conclusion?
This is maybe the easiest version of Moriarty to ever keep—and, I'm hoping, a fun twist on the very-familiar incarnations of Nyarly we've had come through here.
Edited by Scraggle on May 24th 2020 at 6:32:39 AM