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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by nombretomado on Mar 31st 2020 at 8:15:08 AM

May 22nd 2020 at 2:54:26 PM

[up]Scraggle only did Armaggeddon; Lighty did the other 2.

TheMadCr0w from Insignificant Little Blue Planet Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
May 22nd 2020 at 3:04:01 PM

[tup] Majin and Morrigan. Now for the third and final Outpost candidate.

Who is he? The Big Bad of the prequel, Standartenführer Strasser, admittedly and openly embraces war and death, joining the Black Sun as their Psycho for Hire. Answering only to Klausener himself, Strasser was the officer in charge of handling the experiments for him, and he enjoyed every second of it, even going as far as to admire the painful procedures, thinking of them as "music". Using penal conscripts and even his own unwilling soldiers as guinea pigs, Strasser doesn't even show a hint of emotion when he witnesses the head of a subject imploding in one of the many trials of the super soldier project, casually walking through the corpses of the failed subjects and dismissing their deaths as "messy work with lots of mistakes", while also turning others into zombified attack dogs for the Nazis and releasing them to hunt for and savagely devour enemy soldiers; the zombies range from a Bavarian cake decorator to a hulking child killer.

Strasser also has his own "killing pit" where he unleashes zombies on POWs to slaughter them with impunity, forcing a group of Soviet captives to partake in his Gladiator Games. When the remaining survivors try to hide in a lower floor, Strasser's reaction is to get in contact with Klausener and open the cages in a reckless attempt to kill them, ordering his men to "kill whatever comes out" of the elevator when he realizes it was a trap, cowardly abandoning his men to die just so he could save his own skin. Caught by the sole survivor of his sick games, Dolokhov, Strasser has his head crushed by the soldier. Following Strasser's death, Klausener was briefly re-assigned to the facility to take over Strasser's position but was left crippled after injuring his leg during a visit from his partner Götz, who tried to execute a ferocious subject but got hit by the machine's energy blast instead.

Mitigating Factors? None at all, Strasser is a gleefully psychotic, remorseless, and ruthless Card-Carrying Villain.

Heinous? The Soviets are not exactly soft since they were willing to sacrifice a rude American operative to save their own people, but they're still only anti-heroes. Strasser lacks the ambitions and resources of the previous antagonists, and he does everything in his disposal to compensate it. Klausener and Götz are more akin to supervillains, Strasser is nothing but a sadistic sociopath participating in their crusade For the Evulz.

Conclusion? [tup]

Edited by TheMadCr0w on May 22nd 2020 at 7:08:04 AM

Give me some sugar, baby.
miraculous Lord of the underworld from South Africa
Lord of the underworld
May 22nd 2020 at 3:05:05 PM

[tup]Strasser

"Tick, tick, tick. You see each clock tick means a soul has left my domain. Do I look like I like to lose anything?"
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
May 22nd 2020 at 3:06:14 PM

Yes to Strasser. So Klausener's basically a Karma Houdini?

I stand corrected on Chaos! Either way, I think it's a tough sell.

Edited by ACW on May 22nd 2020 at 6:06:39 AM

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TheMadCr0w from Insignificant Little Blue Planet Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
May 22nd 2020 at 3:12:40 PM

[up] Unfortunately yes.

Give me some sugar, baby.
VeryVileVillian The Sly One from Russia Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Sly One
May 22nd 2020 at 3:13:49 PM

[up][up]The comic is dubiously canon to either Witchblade and Lady Death. So i took it to judge on its own merits.

And the last EP based on Witchblade crossovers

What is the Work

Witchblade/Red Sonja is a 5 issue crossover mini-series between the characters of the respective franchises. The story covers two timelines, first is the past, where we follow Red Sonja on her quest for revenge and second is the present, where we follow Sara Pezzini, who uncovers the cultish style murder case and as the story goes, its revealed the two plots of each timeline is connected to each other.

My candidate is the Big Bad of the comic - Ragniel.

Who is Ragniel?

One of the Fallen Angels, who was cast down from Heaven after the rebellion, Ragniel was sealed away for thousands of years. After being freed by a mad wizard, who hoped to control him, Ragniel immediatly killed him. Facing Red Sonja and Nissa, the current wielder of the Witchblade at the time, he battles them and seemengly kills Nissa before he offers Red Sonja place at his side, as he plans to conquer Heaven and Earth. Red Sonja refuses, leading to Ragniel swearing to make her suffer and ressurecting her dead father to force her to battle him. As this drives Sonja out of the cave, where they were, Ragniel openly says to Sonja's father that she would make an "interesting concubine". Then he orders Sonja's father to cut couple of his fingers of, transforming them into monstrous worms, whom he sended against Sonja. Sonja killed them and later on was forced to kill her undead father, who asks her to avenge him, confirming that he was aware what Ragniel forced him to do, but couldn't defy him. Sonja battled Ragniel and cuts off one of his wings, leading to him swearing to tear her skin off. Sonja pierces him with her sword to the throne and sealed him off in a cave for hundreds of years.

This leads us to present time, where Ragniel got free, formed a cult around him and has them perform a ritualistic murders (3 at least) by skinning people alive. Luring Sara to a dark tunnel, he reveals that he zombified few of her fellow police officers and tells Sara to give him Witchblade. When she refused, he has her cornered, orders one of his zombies to mortally wound her husband and declares his intention to kidnap her infant daughter and make her his Queen and have her bear his children, who will be the new powerful race. Succeding at that, he talks with Sara's infant daughter, before he painfully transforms all of his followers (at least few dozens) into the midnless monsters, whom he sended to kill Sara and take away the Witchblade. Sara eventually tracks down his hideout, kills his monsters and confronts him. Managing to find a magic sword, Sara battles Ragniel and overpowers him, piercing his head with her sword, finally killing him for good.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

None. All his talks about being "betrayed" is ultimately falls flat with all characters calling him on his bullshit. His seeming disguist at Sonja's tragedies fall flat, when he swears to make her suffer and tear off her skin, when she refused to be his concubine.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

While wanting to conquer Heavens and Earth is pretty generically presented, Ragniel shows himself off to be more personally revolting. From forcing Sonja to fight her father, whom he ressurected, to wanting to turn Sara's infant daughter into his "breeding Queen" to tranforming all of his followers (who already doing everything he tells them to do) to the mindless monsters (the process of which is shown to be horrific and painful) to having his followers perform ritual killing by skinning people alive to turning Sara's coworkers into zombies. I think he does just enough to stand out.

Final Verdict?

What do you think?

Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 22nd 2020 at 1:19:32 PM

"A taker of slaves, and a thief; I know not what master he served. Cruel Slagar has come to grief; T'was all that he deserved."
Libraryseraph Take my revolution! from Canada Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
VeryVileVillian The Sly One from Russia Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Sly One
May 22nd 2020 at 3:17:50 PM

[tup]Standartenführer Strasser

"A taker of slaves, and a thief; I know not what master he served. Cruel Slagar has come to grief; T'was all that he deserved."
May 22nd 2020 at 3:19:53 PM

Yes to Strausser and Ragniel.

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
May 22nd 2020 at 3:23:48 PM

Sure to Ragniel. Are any of these crossovers part of the Shared Universe?

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VeryVileVillian The Sly One from Russia Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Sly One
May 22nd 2020 at 3:26:44 PM

No.

"A taker of slaves, and a thief; I know not what master he served. Cruel Slagar has come to grief; T'was all that he deserved."
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
May 22nd 2020 at 3:28:12 PM

Alright, cool. I think I got a plan of how to handle it on the non-Top Cow pages.

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miraculous Lord of the underworld from South Africa
Lord of the underworld
May 22nd 2020 at 3:33:10 PM

[tup]Ragniel

He'll go to Monster.Red Sonja too right ?

"Tick, tick, tick. You see each clock tick means a soul has left my domain. Do I look like I like to lose anything?"
May 22nd 2020 at 3:39:48 PM

[tup]Strasser and Ragniel (odd surge of Witchblade crossovers recently).

BTW, My school year is finally over and I'll try to get at least one EP by the beginning of next week.

Edited by nwotyzal on May 22nd 2020 at 3:44:10 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
May 22nd 2020 at 3:54:26 PM

Yeah. He'll go there; the Lady Death dude will go at the end of the Chaos! tree; Spawn dude there.

Also, a slight retweaking of Witchblade's Shared Universe entries (along with the Queen, which apparently is canon):

  • Witchblade (by appearance date):
    • Medieval Spawn/Witchblade (1996, by Garth Ennis et al.): Lord Cardinale is a medieval wielder of "The Darkness", and definitely the vilest. Using his power to take over a large chunk of territory, Cardinale rules like an Evil Overlord. After Matthew Royale told him about the power of Elven artifacts, Cardinale eagerly invaded the Elven homeland of Faerie, massacring thousands of Elves and destroying their homes. When the current wielder of Witchblade and Spawn were close to defeating him, he decided to power himself up by absorbing all Darkness essence from—in effect killing—all his servants, including his lover.
    • Blood Oath (2004, written by R.J.M. Lofficier): Queen Mauve is a high-ranking demon who desired to conquer the Outer Circles of Hell. After being summoned by Gilles de Rais, the lover of Joan of Arc, Mauve made a pact with him, saving Joan from being burned alive in exchange for Gilles becoming the host for her servant demons. Later on, Mauve has Gilles sacrifice hundreds of infants to her by torturing, killing, and eating them at her altar. When Gilles was hanged for these crimes, Mauve kept him alive and has him commit various atrocities across history. When Sara Pezzini, the wielder of Witchblade in modern times, offered her services to her, Mauve threw Gilles aside and was ready to fully manifest on Earth and vaporize three quarters of the Earth's atmosphere.
    • Madeline Desormeaux, from 2007's 2-part "Raising the Dead" arc, has a sick fascination for torturing and dismembering her slaves, then putting them back together in grotesque ways where they suffered until death. After the escape of a little boy whose eyes and mouth she had stitched shut, Madeline ultimately died. However, even this would not keep her evil from infecting the land, cursing all of her former victims to wander in agony until the day her wicked soul is destroyed for good. When Danielle Baptiste shows up to put the slaves' souls to rest, Madeline gleefully attempts to torture her due to her fraternization with the "filth" of her former slaves.

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Scraggle BILLY from Calgary Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
BILLY
May 22nd 2020 at 4:24:58 PM

If the Lady Death villain isn't actually part of her Chaos continuity I have no hesitation saying yes, but I'd be wary otherwise. The other Witchblade villains sound a yes though, as does Manos. I'll have Dellos and everyone up in an hour, ACW, after supper.

Edited by Scraggle on May 22nd 2020 at 5:28:19 AM

IT'S JUST ANOTHER HANG-UP BILLY
May 22nd 2020 at 4:31:46 PM

[tup] to Standartenführer Strasser and Ragniel.

G-Editor Tweek from South Park Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Tweek
May 22nd 2020 at 4:40:20 PM

Happy Birthday Micheal and [tup] to Burke, Hare, Sterling (Archer), Ragniel Strausser, Majin, and Morrigan

Alright, it’s been two weeks since Solar Opposites came out and I’ve got a candidate that’s at least worth a discussing. First let us talk about the show.

What’s The Work?

Solar Opposites is a sci-fi animated series created by Justin Roland (the co-creator of Rick and Morty) and released on Hulu. The premise is that a family of aliens left their planet Shlorp before it was destroyed by an astroid. They arrive on Earth where they try to fit in our society with pending results.

However their’s another Story Arc that was also developed where the alien Yumyulack has shrank numerous people and putting them in The Wall where the shrunken humans create a new home which is unfortunately run by a cruel despot only known as The Duke.

Who Is He? What Has He Done?

The Duke is one of the many humans shrunk by Yumyulack and sent to the wall where he uses this opportunity to take charge becoming a sadistic tyrant oppressing the rest of the denizens of The Wall subjecting them to slave labor in horrific conditions, hoarding the food that the alien Jesse gives them, and murdering those who don’t follow his tyrannical rule.

When one of the denizens tries to barter for insulin since his father was dying from diabetes, The Duke responds by killing him via cutting off his head. He the tricks his father into turn against the resistance group fighting against The Duke’s oppression by making him believe that they killed his son where he then has the people of the resistance killed by throwing them down a deep pit called the boo-hoo hole.

However the resistance leader, Tim, and his lover, Cherie survive falling from the Boo-Hoo hole, albeit having her cut and scarred badly the two form a new resistance group by uniting all the denizens of the going to go against The Duke and overthrow him, to which The Duke respond by flooding the entire the wall killing countless people in the Wall.

The Duke then makes his escape from the wall while through a tunnel, leaving everyone else to die. Tim and Cherie find the tunnel, but Tim kills Cherie before she could tell survivor about it before taking charge and becoming the new ruler of The Wall.

Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities?

Like with everyone else The Duke was shrunken by Yumyulack before being sent to the wall. That said no one else became sadistic and power hungry like him being strongly implied that he’s always been like this long before getting shrunk and The Duke merely used this opportunity to become the de facto dictator of The Wall while oppressing and enslaving everyone else.

While he claims to be doing what’s best for everyone in the wall, it would soon be revealed that he found a tunnel leading out of the Wall and back to their normal lives, but chose to not tell anyone about this so they will think that there is no escaping the wall and The Duke can continue subjecting them to his cruel Tyrannical Rule.

He does give the father insulin, but that is only so that he turn him into his pawn and manipulate them into turning him against Tim and his resistance making him believe that they killed their son instead of him, and was willing to kill him and everyone else in the wall while he tries to escape, showing that he has zero well intentions and the only person he only cares about is himself.

Heinousness

I am aware that people are going to get skeptical since The Duke comes from a cartoon made by the co-creator of Rick and Morty, but there’s no evidence that Solar Opposites in the same universe as R&M being its own show, with the setting being conductive enough to have a CM with the humor derived by the aliens trying to fit in to their new society and while they tend to cause havoc on Earth, its all done by complete accident and they try to undo their mistakes afterwards.

That said all of The Duke’s atrocities are done completely intentional on his part and he is played completely seriously with zero humor towards his villainy being a sadistic dictator oppressing the masses in the wall and subjecting them to slavery and murders people who goes against him, even having a child killed gruesomely onscreen by decapitating him and drowns countless people in the Wall while he escapes killing possibly hundreds.

The only one who comes close to The Duke in terms of heinousness is Yumyulack who shrinks all the people before sending them into the Wall but he’s not having them killed and basically lets them do whatever they want while he observes with The Duke committing his atrocities out of his own choice. As Tim said Yumyulack may have sent them to the Wall but it’s The Duke who made it a prison.

I should also note that the Pupa that the aliens are carrying is meant to grow up to consume Earth and make the planet habitual for their kind, but as of now The Duke clears the heinous standard by being the Arc Villain of the most serialized, dramatic, and story driven plot in the show and currently having the highest body count, despite having far less resources than the aliens.

Final Verdict?

I’ll leave it to you guys.

Edited by G-Editor on May 22nd 2020 at 1:49:39 AM

MVP of Bro Down 2020
May 22nd 2020 at 4:43:00 PM

I'm kinda leaning yes from what little I've seen, but...anyone else verify?

Edited by Lightysnake on May 22nd 2020 at 4:43:52 AM

43110 You should start singing for yourself now. from Mars Relationship Status: Abstaining
You should start singing for yourself now.
May 22nd 2020 at 4:48:05 PM

I too would like backing here. He throws people down something called the "boo hoo hole"? I'm pausing here.

Edited by 43110 on May 22nd 2020 at 7:55:40 AM

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ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
May 22nd 2020 at 4:52:22 PM

Thing is, even if the Lady Death baddie isn't part of the Chaos! canon, it's still a Chaos! work...I'll let y'all decide whether it should be part of the Chaos! (God that's annoying) tree or just the Top Cow page. If the former, we'll need to cut the header for Chaos!

EDIT: Oh, before I forget: Will Urishtar Nightwyrm just go to other settings for D&D?

Edited by ACW on May 22nd 2020 at 7:55:58 AM

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G-Editor Tweek from South Park Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Tweek
May 22nd 2020 at 4:57:02 PM

[up] what's your vote on the Duke and don't forget to add Rob in pending write-up since the majority did vote [tup] to him with only a few abstaining

I mean The Duke calls it the Boo Hoo hole , but its treated like a regular pit where he throw people down to kill them. Their's nothing funny about the name and how he uses it. That also includes all the atrocities that The Duke has committed which are all played completely seriously

Edited by G-Editor on May 22nd 2020 at 2:01:18 AM

MVP of Bro Down 2020
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
The Draftsman of Doom
AustinDR Hello again. from Fresh and ready for life.
Hello again.
May 22nd 2020 at 5:06:01 PM

Never watched the show so can't comment there.

Why you little-!
Scraggle BILLY from Calgary Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
BILLY
May 22nd 2020 at 5:11:43 PM

I'm abstaining. Sorry, G, but you've got a consistently touchy record with adult cartoons and I'm not voting until someone else who's seen the show can verify he's played utterly seriously.

Saying "there's nothing funny about the Boo Hoo Hole" does not magically change the black comedy attached to the name. Trying to downplay even so much as that concerns me.

Edited by Scraggle on May 22nd 2020 at 6:17:09 AM

IT'S JUST ANOTHER HANG-UP BILLY

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