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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#211151: Apr 24th 2020 at 8:43:20 AM

I believe because trying to figure out what was Mythos-related for other media would be too tricky (hell, even Lit isn't super easy; just look at the above).

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#211152: Apr 24th 2020 at 8:45:22 AM

Now Ursula? These stories are something else. [tup]

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#211153: Apr 24th 2020 at 8:53:12 AM

Just gonna post my thing for Lunar.

  • Streets of Rage (1994): Lunar is a slimy pimp who gets young women addicted to heroin, forcing them to become his prostitutes to feed their drug addiction. Lustfully obsessed with his prostitutes, to the point where he kills one of his own via an overdose once he grew tired of her, Lunar desires Melody Sails all for himself, disguising himself as rich Southern entrepreneur Scott to get closer to her. After attempting to rape Melody while she’s hungover, Lunar later kidnaps Candy, Steven, and Max to hold them hostage, ordering Melody to choose whether Steven or Max dies.

And I want to post the rewrite of Phibrizzo, as I feel he's been long overdue. I mean, when did Mir offer anybody to rewrite him, like 2 or so years ago?

  • Original: Hellmaster Phibrizzo from the second season and eighth Light Novel, the oldest of the Mazoku, wants to destroy all reality. This is pretty standard for Mazoku, but Phibrizzo shows sheer joy by which he conducts his manipulations and when he tortures and kills his enemies. There are few other villains in Slayers who take such unmitigated delight in causing suffering, especially when Phibrizzo seems to target loved ones to give as much pain as he can to his targets.

Yeah, you get the picture.

  • Rewrite: Hellmaster Phibrizzo, from Next and Vol. 8, is the oldest of the Mazoku who wants to destroy the world and return it to the Sea of Chaos. A sadistic demon who views death and the suffering of others as nothing but a game, Phibrizzo in the past had staged several massive wars between humans, dragons, and demons that led to countless deaths, all to awaken his master’s spirit. Using Garv as his pawn in the future, Phibrizzo easily kills him once he’s through with him and snatches Goury away, brainwashing him to become a loyal servant out of sheer boredom while keeping him inside a crystal that drains him of his life-force. Once Lina and the gang encounter him, Phibrizzo proceeds to murder them all by crushing a death orb tied to their life supports, gaining an immense amount of pleasure the more lives he literally shatters one by one. After Lina finally casts the Giga Slave and is possessed by the Mother of All Things, Phibrizzo attempts to kill Lina and set Mother free, preparing to die as long as rest of the world goes out with him.

Also look forward to some keepers from a Corey Haim duology next week.

Edited by therealjackieboy on Apr 24th 2020 at 8:53:24 AM

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#211154: Apr 24th 2020 at 8:59:08 AM

I think "pimp" should be potholed to Human Traffickers.

[down][down] Fair point. I was posting it with the intention that ACW would see my pothole suggestion, though.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 24th 2020 at 12:06:37 PM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#211156: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:01:48 AM

Yes to Isla and Ursula, rewrite looks good Jack.

[up][up] Let ACW handle that, Jackie doesn't have to pothole things in his entries if he doesn't feel like it. I'm sure he can figure out what makes sense.

Edited by 43110 on Apr 24th 2020 at 12:08:38 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#211157: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:05:33 AM

Jackie, is Joyrock's current entry adequate?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#211158: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:06:51 AM

Who did I offer to rewrite?

[up][up][up]The Sea Queen from To kill a kingdom is also based on her due to the thing being based on a dark, lose version of the film. With the whole lower body iscount an octopus thing and trident.

Edited by miraculous on Apr 24th 2020 at 9:07:08 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#211159: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:08:48 AM

[tup] to Elder God Cultist!Ursula.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#211160: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:12:06 AM

Okay I know I've brought th is up before with nothing comming of it. Could we please rewrite Cree Bega from The Voyage of the Jerle Shannara

First up 14 potholes. Secondly th is whole thing just reads weirdly.

Edited by miraculous on Apr 24th 2020 at 9:15:19 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#211161: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:15:09 AM

Morgawr's also excessively potholed:

  • The Morgawr is the Big Bad of the trilogy. He's a half man, half lizard freak who slaughters Grianne and Bek Ohmsfords' family, kidnaps Grianne, tells her Bek is dead, and convinces her that Walker, the Druid, and his Arch-Enemy is behind it, then raises her to be as bad as himself. He's also a magic-draining leech who feeds on the souls, minds, and magics of his victims and turns people into People Puppets by pulling their brains out through the back of their heads and eating them, leaving them with their skills, but no free will. In the opening pages of Morgawr he drains two-hundred fifty men onscreen, scarring witness Sen Dunsidan for life, and driving the latter's Torture Technician to suicide. He later does the same to the crew of Grianne's ship, Black Moclips, after she betrays him, before hunting her down and trying to kill her because he considers her life his property to dispose of how he wishes. Completely comfortable with his evil, The Morgawr takes pride in having brought Grianne down to his level, and finds her desire to better herself completely laughable.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#211163: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:19:05 AM

Morgawr and rimmer dall aren't great either but those could be fixed by just removing the excess potholes. This though is such a mess that the bulk of the entry is potholes meaning removing them would take away a large portion of it.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#211164: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:20:13 AM

@ACW: Joyrock's entry looks fine. To be honest, I haven't seen the Slayers movies; I've only watched the anime. I don't even know who originally proposed him (probably Lighty).

@Mir: You didn't offer it to anybody specifically, I just remember you said something along the lines of "does anybody want to take a shot at rewriting this?"

[down] I figured as such. I think we're the only ones here into Slayers.

Edited by therealjackieboy on Apr 24th 2020 at 9:30:57 AM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#211165: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:23:24 AM

i did Joyrock and Phibrizzo is one of my old ones.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#211166: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:30:46 AM

I can offer this for CB:

  • Cree Bega is the smug right-hand of the aforementioned Morgawr and sadist with a vicious outlook on all non-Mwellrets who aims to break down Ahren Elessdel. Forcing Ahren to watch as he feeds the crew of Black Moclips to Morgawr, Cree Bega and his men proceed to torture and violate his Love Interest, Ryer Ord Star, causing her mind to snap and driving her to suicide. In his final confrontation with Ahren, Cree Bega happily reminds him of Ryer's prolonged defilement, his torment of Ahren so thorough it mars him lasting well after Cree Bega's death.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#211168: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:36:35 AM

Mischa's ALSO excessively potholed. The whole damn tree is a mess [lol]

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#211169: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:38:35 AM

I think it might be since the entries are rather old.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#211170: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:49:34 AM

Alright, my last Ghostwalker one...I wanna just nix these off my To-do list now: from the short adventure Devil's Cellar

Now, in DND exists an evil race called the Yuan-Ti. They're basically snake people, divided into their own society...some of them look human, others like mroe snake-like and the most powerful are called Abominations, gargantuan snake-like humanoids ...they have their own demiplane called the Coil, and despise Manifest in Ghostwalk because they can't revive as ghosts themselves. Yuan-Ti have attacked Manifest many times, and in this adventure the PC's discover a wicked plot led by two Yuan-Ti, Venomblack-a Yuan-Ti Abomination, and his second in command: Stri'sn

Who is Stri'sn?

a Yuan-Ti cleric of Orcus who seeks to destroy Manifest. Helping venomblack to link the Coil tot he Undercity of Manifest and creating an area called the devil's Cellar, Sitri'sn has people converted by being bitten by Yuan-Ti and converted into brainwashed slaves as they prepare to assassinate a major figure in Manifest with intent of eventually seeing the city wiped out and the Ghostwalk stuff ended...now, Venonblack is mostly concerned with crafting a magic pool to empower himself and the monsters they create, but Stri'sn?

Stri'sn is the worst of the conspiracy and despises Venomblack...she has massive amounts of hostages taken, having multiple ones tortured and sacrificed to Orcus...but more than that, she subjects others to horrible experiments, and for a way to unwind and let off steam? She spends her time torturing the prisoners for information and fun, psychologically and physically with the PC finding many people she's ripped into and driven into horrible despair. One prisoner has been there two weeks with Stri'sn torturing him continuously and keeping him tormented by reminding him of his dead father and the inevitable truth he'll be turned into a brainwashed slave. Now, the PC ends up finding her operation and ending the threat of the Devil Cellar and magic pool, which involves killing Stri'sn herself.

Any mitigating issues?

No. She's not even a devout Yuan-Ti, being a devotee of Orcus (who is one of the most evil gods. Nobody good serves Orcus and his goals)...she wantss to help destroy Manifest, cause an assassination...but for the relatively less flesh out Ghostwalk, what puts Stri'sn above? Her penchant for torture. It's made clear she loves it, and relishes in psychological and physical suffering, indulging in torturing many prisoners for weeks, and can't wait to kill and torture more. For her relative standard here, she's well above the baseline and even the relative given the other low ranking villains.

And she despises Venomblack and vice-versa...but despite that, Venomblack actually cares for the other Yuan-Ti while Stri'sn...doesn't.

Conclusion?

A keeper, I'd say.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#211171: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:55:03 AM

Sure to Stris'n. Ghostwalk gets its own section, right? Are Durgerth and Xaphan from a specific module like Stris'n is?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#211172: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:56:41 AM

Nope. Ghostwalk is a single book of several hundred pages detailing the setting, its history, the stats and several small adventures. Stri'sn is from an adventure, Xaphan and Durgerth are detailed in the history sections like Ghul was for Ptolus

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#211173: Apr 24th 2020 at 9:58:29 AM

Gotcha. Also, for the Baron, should it be like:

Monstrous Arcana

  • Baron whatever, from Bruce R. Cordell's trilogy (Evil Tide, Night of the Shark, and Sea of Blood) for The Sea Devils,...

Edited by ACW on Apr 24th 2020 at 1:02:08 PM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#211174: Apr 24th 2020 at 10:02:39 AM

I think it's general DND or Forgotten Realms in general. Monstrous Arcana isn't its own setting

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#211175: Apr 24th 2020 at 10:05:21 AM

Hmm, I'll just slot him under Vlaakith then.


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