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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Sorry I haven't been here in a while, but I just found all these unapproved entries on Spider-Man (Manga)
- Mitsuo from Issues 25-30, who starts off as a scummy violent misogynist who steals cars off his girlfriends and won’t hesitate to mock their looks and beat them, before becoming a murder and a crook after a blood transfusion from Yu gives him Spider-Man’s powers. Along with pushing his sister into prostitution to pay for his high school tuition while he joined the yakuza, he also graphically assaults several security guards, including gouging one’s eyes out with a wooden pole and killing another. His acts of violence and hedonism drive his sister to insanity, destroying the budding romance she had with Yu and he’s only stopped when the blood transfusion wears off, deforming him and sending him falling to his death off a building.
- The Mad Demon, a crazed psychopath who uses his heavily modified car to run down and murder innocent people, purely because he finds it fun. His body count continues to pile up and yet he still somehow manages to rally support from the citizens who see him as a vigilante cleaning up the streets from dangerous drivers. Notable in that his rampage manages to kill Yu’s girlfriend Rumiko, traumatising him so badly that when the two are finally face to face, all he can do is weep with rage, leaving the Mad Demon to be picked off by sniper fire.
- Miss Miwa, the attractive young teacher who is actually a witch, falls squarely in here. Using her hypnosis powers to destroy any one that slights her (which includes every girl at the school), her reign of terror includes causing a massive pile up of students at a stairwell which injuries many, putting every man (and pigeon) in the area under a curse that makes them all violently loyal to her and aggressively sexually charged (which includes making Yu’s friend Araki attempt to rape his own sister) and turning people into bloodhounds to kill her enemies. Her reign over the school drives everyone to madness and mass fights, murders and gang rapes break out as the staff assault the students and the students assault the staff. The campus quickly turns into a battle zone, erupting into a turf war between the second and third years which spirals into a city wide riot between the students and the police. While she excused her actions as reflecting the darkness in the heart’s of man, her terrifying powers drive the city into anarchy, only stopping when she’s shot in the head by riot patrol
Ironically a lot of these sound more heinous than the one we have up (Kangaroo)
to both Brainiacs
Edited by G-Editor on Apr 8th 2020 at 9:19:52 AM
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffFollowing up on the Gilroy!Brainiac? Let's discuss the next version, by Kevin Smith himself (who I have now realized only cries after every comic book movie because he's reminded he had to deal with the shit show of this project and all the Executive Meddling it entailed)
Who is he?
Well it ain't Barney the Purple Dinosaur.
Brainiac serves as the monstrous machine of mayhem once again in this story, and though there are a couple similarities in crimes and story beats with the last one, he's distinct enough to count.
This one lacking in both the complexity of the previous version and the classic monotone roboticism the character is know for, Brainiac here is a flamboyant, arrogant nutbar with a sassy, loyal robotic sidekick named "L-Ron" (who the producer Jon Peters—as Scraggle mentioned—specifically requested be a "gay R2-D2 with attitude" -_-)
What has he done?
Years ago, Brainiac arrived on Krypton as a mysterious computer program that the populace implemented as a security force. Unfortunately, Brainiac was something far more malevolent, as he secretly began draining the power of out of Krypton's core, destabilizing the entire planet ("Ok, now that's some bullshit."). When scientist Jor-El and his robotic creation known as the "Eradicator" found out the truth, Jor-El tried to alert all of Krypton to Brainiac's trickery, but Brainiac shut down Jor-El's attempts to stop him, framing him as paranoid and dangerous.
Brainiac soon begins trying to siphon power out of the Eradicator itself and grant himself a physical, godlike form, but unfortunately, all of that siphoning of Krypton's core finally causes the planet to begin dying. Jor-El has just enough time to recover the Eradicator—which takes the form of Kal-El's space ship—and send his son away to Earth to avoid death, just as Brainiac's siphoning utterly annihilates the planet.
Outraged that the Eradicator escaped before he could finish his job of draining its power, Brainiac began a decades-long quest to find it. However, realizing that his physical form that he began to create can only be sustained with energy, Brainiac not only begins finding life across space just so he can drain it, but also captures rare species of aliens and traps them in his "menagerie".
Opening the film up by invading a space ship and draining two aliens' of their life forces, reducing them to dead husks, Brainiac receives a galaxy-wide message from Lex Luthor, who offers an alliance with any alien life that can come to Earth and kill Superman for him.
Brainiac picks up on cues that indicate that Superman is Kryptonian and, realizing that he's no doubt Kal-El, orders his put-upon lackey L-Ron to set a course for Earth. Upon arriving at [LexCorp], Brainiac immediately drains two security officers of their life forces, before striking a deal with Lex Luthor to destroy Superman.
Proceeding to....(rereads script entry to ensure this isn't a fever dream)....use a satellite to block out the sun and make it perpetual night time on Earth, thus weakening Superman...?
Mkay, so, with that brilliant bit of devilry done, Brainiac then unleashes one of his creations—Doomsday—who kills several innocent people of Metropolis before a weakened Superman arrives and, after a long fight, manages to seemingly beat Doomsday, only to die himself from the wounds Doomsday inflicted.
Reviving Doomsday's carcass for a brief moment to scare the public into thinking Doomsday lives, Brainiac shows up on the scene and vaporizes him, joining with Lex Luthor in a massive fake (and cheesy as hell) "we come in peace" speech. Brainiac fools Earth into believing that he's a fellow Kryptonian who has come to save Earth from an approaching alien fleet, and that if everyone will just do as he says, everything will be fiiiiine. He also convinces them that the sun being blocked out is a "stealth" measure to hide the Earth from the coming fleet.
Cuz apparently aliens don't have GPS.
Oh and Brainiac also explicitly strikes a "Richard Nixon pose" during his speech to humanity, so uhhh he is not a crook?
Beginning to repeat his process on Krypton on Earth and draining the planet's core as needed to sustain his form, Brainiac reveals that the Eradicator robot is capable of reviving Superman (some damn way) and all of this was just a ploy to kill Superman and draw the Eradicator out to revive him. During all of this, Brainiac also mistreats L-Ron, bashing him around and threatening to drain him of his energy should he screw anything up, while L-Ron just sasses back, because... y'know...sassy R2-D2, I guess...
When reporter Lois Lane exposes the truth of Brainiac and Luthor, Brainiac tries to leave Luthor high and dry, planning to either find the Eradicator and finish his draining of him to have eternal energy, or just drain Earth of its core and destroy the planet as he did Krypton to sustain his form for a longer period.
When Luthor disconnects Brainiac from the Earth's core, threatening to destroy him, Brainiac quickly drains the life forces of several security officers and Luthor's lover Misty to power himself up enough to throttle Luthor into re-connecting him to the core.
At the same time that the Eradicator revives Superman and reveals itself, a large group of Metropolis citizens congregate near LexCorp, and though they are pushed back to a nearby bridge, Brainiac finds them annoying enough that he orders L-Ron to fly their ship to the bridge and destroy it, with the dozens of civilians and LexCorp officers still on it. When L-Ron protests, reminding Brainiac that the Eradicactor is nearby and they should conserve energy, Brainiac just reasserts himself and blasts the bridge, endangering everyone on it.
Luckily, Superman, wearing the Eradicator as an "armor", arrives and saves the bridge...Brainiac begins his attack on the hero, and though Superman escapes, Brainiac captures Lois Lane and uses her as a hostage to draw Superman back out, planning to kill her in public as he reveals to Metropolis "You no longer need fear takeover by hostile aliens. The hostile alien is here."
Threatening to become "painfully intimate" with Lois while holding a blade to her head, Brainiac tries to coax Superman out of the Eradicator, but the Eradicator outwits Brainiac and avoids capture, managing to fly up to the "Shadowcaster" satellite and destroy it, returning sunlight to Earth and powering up Superman once more.
Chucking Lois into his menagerie, Brainiac...wait, wait hold on...(vigorously rereads script, begging for a fever dream)...uggghhhhhh, this was Jon Peters' fault, that's right....ok, so Brainiac unleashes a gigantic half-organic, half-technological "Thanagarian Snare Beast" which looks like a giant flipping spider (yes, this was apparently specifically requested by producers, for the final fight to be Superman vs a massive spider).
Manually controlling the giant arachnid thing, Brainiac tries to kill Lois and Superman, but Superman prevails and, even as Brainiac begs for his life, calling Superman out on his Thou Shalt Not Kill rule, Superman just calls Brainiac a machine, not real life, and punches a hole through him, killing the mad machine and saving Earth.
....of course, in the final scene, L-Ron slinks onto the scene and, proclaiming that he's a "glutton for punishment", he recovers one of Brainiac's computer chips and flies off, apparently intent on reviving his former master.
After all, what's a masochist without a sadist....I guess?
Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?
Nah, unlike the previous Brainiac, this one ain't got shit in either category. He's just a power hungry sociopath with delusions of godhood. He treats L-Ron like shit, betrays Luthor at the drop of a hat, and his motive doesn't extend beyond "I'mma be a god, mwahaha"
Though I guess you could say this one doesn't merge with Lex Luthor like in all the other versions, and for the same of my eyes not having to see "Lexiac" or "Luthoriac", this is redeeming to me for sure!
Heinousness?
Bad enough, I'd say. Destroys Krypton, threatens the same to Earth as a backup plan, kills several people on Earth for their life forces, unleashes Doomsday, threatens Lois's life and tries to destroy a bridge full of people out of annoyance and assert dominance.
Final Verdict?
Keeeeeeep.
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
nutbar Brainiac
Well thankfully that film wasn't made....
Curious. Is it ever indicaTed that Brainiac destroyed Krypton in the main dc universe ? I know he does in most adaptations.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Brainiac
With that mention of Barney the Purple Dinosaur, do we have any C Ms that are similar to him?
Fascinating info apparently Christopher Walken was Burton's choice to play Brainac. I can't remember if they signed him. But that would have been weird to see.
Edited by Bullman on Apr 8th 2020 at 2:26:05 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

So tomorrow, besides locking the Cthulhu stuff, I'll submit this Clown rewrite and this Dangan stuff:
ANIMANGA
VIDEO GAMES
OTHER MEDIA
Edited by ACW on Apr 8th 2020 at 11:00:00 AM