During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Cuco
Isnt he played by Jason Bateman of all people?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Yes to El Cuco and knowing near nothing about Dr. Who I'm going to sit this one out. I know the argument for how long running the series is is supposed to justify the number of CMs allowed to say but I find when the comparisons are "Well they might have tried to destroy the world but how much of a jerk were they while they did?" since something like three dozen of them seem to give Kill All Humans a crack, it seems like we're dealing with sci fi Criminal Minds.
"sci fi Criminal Minds"
Eh, that's Warhammer 40,000
Even some Whoniverse keepers would fall short of the former's standard, which requires billions at a minimum (Strab's millions and millions is probably on the LOW end of the standard for keepers).
For Danganronpa, Visual Novels stays just Junko. For video games:
- Danganronpa Another Episode: Ultra Despair Girls: Monaca Towa is the true leader of the Warriors of Hope and Junko Enoshima's equally evil partner. Even before meeting Junko, Monaca manipulated her four troubled friends into attempting suicide for her amusement. As the daughter—and killer—of mogul Takuichi Towa, Monaca used her position to create an army of Monokumas and aid Junko in her world conquest, while blackmailing the Towa Group into compliance. Years later, Monaca brainwashes every kid in Towa City with special helmets, then unleashes them and her Monokuma army onto Towa City. Having convinced her four friends that all adults are Demons, she begins the Demon Hunting game, in which the Warriors, aided by the children and Monokumas, kill as many adults as possible. To rile up the adults, Monaca shows them videos of their loved ones being tortured. She later attempts to execute three Warriors for failing her, and sexually assaults a disobedient Nagisa Shingetsu to break his spirit. Finally, she attempts to get Komaru Naegi and Haiji Towa to break the brainwashing controller and kill all the kids to frame the adults for their deaths and start a war with the Future Foundation, and tries to trick Komaru into thinking that her parents were killed to get her to comply. In Danganronpa 3, Monaca kills Miaya Gekkogahara to take her place, then, when confronted, flees into space. Underneath her kind demeanor and promise to create a paradise for kids, Monaca, like Junko, is devoted only to spreading despair.
AniManga:
- Danganronpa franchise:
- Junko Enoshima is a despair-obsessed teenager seeking nothing less than the complete destruction of hope. Growing bored with life due to her incredible analytical abilities, Junko used her manipulative prowess to force her high school's student council to kill each other; and then the fallout to drive the rest of the students into a brainwashed frenzy. Kidnapping the kind-hearted teacher Chisa Yukizome, Junko orders her lobotomized her to turn her into her slave and drives the 77th class into Ultimate Despair by murdering their beloved classmate, Chiaki Nanami. Humiliating, blackmailing and breaking anyone in her way to reach her goal, Junko commands the entire population of reserve students to commit murder-suicides, resulting in a catastrophic number of casualties. Erasing the memories of her surviving classmates, Junko forces them into a cruel game where they are made to betray and murder one another, hoping to break every last bit of hope they hold to in their minds. When she is eventually discovered, Junko brags about killing her own sister to keep her plans exciting, and when she fails to break the minds of her victims, opts to ignore their offer to give up her ways and chooses to kill herself, seeing nothing but excitement at even her own death. Even after her passing, Junko's devotion to spreading misery continues as she creates an Artificial Intelligence in her own likeness to continue her torment. Unwavering in her love of suffering, Junko passed no chance to showcase just how many people she could subjugate to utter torment.
- Ultra Despair Girls: Monaca Towa is the true leader of the Warriors of Hope and the aforementioned Junko's equally evil partner. Even before meeting Junko, Monaca manipulated her four troubled friends into attempting suicide for her amusement. As the daughter—and killer—of mogul Takuichi Towa, Monaca used her position to create an army of Monokumas and aid Junko in her world conquest, while blackmailing the Towa Group into compliance. Years later, Monaca brainwashes every kid in Towa City with special helmets, then unleashes them and her Monokuma army onto Towa City. Having convinced her four friends that all adults are Demons, she begins the Demon Hunting game, in which the Warriors, aided by the children and Monokumas, kill as many adults as possible. To rile up the adults, Monaca shows them videos of their loved ones being tortured. She later attempts to execute three Warriors for failing her, and sexually assaults a disobedient Nagisa Shingetsu to break his spirit. Finally, she attempts to get Komaru Naegi and Haiji Towa to break the brainwashing controller and kill all the kids to frame the adults for their deaths and start a war with the Future Foundation, and tries to trick Komaru into thinking that her parents were killed to get her to comply. In Danganronpa 3, Monaca kills Miaya Gekkogahara to take her place, then, when confronted, flees into space. Underneath her kind demeanor and promise to create a paradise for kids, Monaca, like Junko, is devoted only to spreading despair.
I'm curious should we move Junko to multimedia. She's in quite alot of media pieces as the franchises Overarching Villain
Theirs also Monster.Simon R Green. In order to count their you need a world ending plan plus Body Horror or And I Must Scream or something grotesque.
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Pfft, those guys are pikers compared to Bile (who has a labcoat with Genuine Human Hide)
So with Dangan, like I asked here
?
I feel pretty confident in moving Junko to other media and adding Monaca to Video Games though.
Edited by ACW on Apr 4th 2020 at 2:53:40 PM
It'll just be multimedia. Similar to Mick Taylor, who's there instead of Film AND TV AND Literature.
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Also, would like to alter the Junko writeup to add a few more important crimes and details (like her bringing about The End of the World as We Know It). I deleted some extra words here and there- the writeup contains 253 words, exactly as much as the original did.
- Junko Enoshima, leader of the Ultimate Despair, is a despair-obsessed teenager seeking the complete destruction of hope. Growing bored with life due to her incredible analytical abilities, Junko used her manipulative prowess to force her high school's student council to kill each other, and then used the fallout to brainwash the other students. Kidnapping the kind-hearted teacher Chisa Yukizome, Junko orders her lobotomized to turn her into her slave and drives the 77th class into joining her by murdering their beloved classmate, Chiaki Nanami. Humiliating, blackmailing and breaking anyone in her way, Junko commands the entire population of reserve students to commit murder-suicides, leading to global revolts and the end of society. As the new world's Evil Overlord, Junko intentionally oppresses her citizens. Erasing the memories of her surviving classmates, Junko forces them into a cruel game where they are made to betray and murder one another, and broadcasts it to break every last bit of hope they and the world hold. Eventually discovered, Junko brags about killing her own sister to keep her plans exciting, and when she fails to break the minds of her victims, opts to ignore their redemption offer and excitedly kills herself, feeling only euphoria. Even after her passing, Junko's devotion to spreading misery continues as she creates an Artificial Intelligence in her own likeness to make three more killing games, one targeting her own minions. Unwavering in her love of suffering, Junko passed no chance to showcase just how many people she could subjugate to utter torment.

I wish I still had HBO. Was looking forward to the show.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."