During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I found this on Bloodline (2006) (another Dracula sequel )
- Complete Monster:
- Count Tepes- he’s the wicked Vampire Monarch who eats babies and plans to restore House Dracul to its former might...by any means necessary.
- John- he spends Reckoning arranging for Mary to be gaslit and mentally tormented, including having her father killed.
- Complete Monster: Lutzman. The guy tortures cats for fun. He even has an at-home laboratory in which he uses cats as test subjects so he can invent new ways of tormenting and killing them.
No idea.
Apparently the protagonist according to the main page whose a cat lover feeds him to his cats in revenge so if their not that would be even bigger problem.....
Edited by miraculous on Apr 2nd 2020 at 2:47:14 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."I have another Total Drama fanfic candidate. This time of a canon character.
What is the work?
Total Drama All Stars: Rebooted
is Exactly What It Says on the Tin a reboot of the canon season of All Stars set in a continuity where instead of 14 contestants competing it's 16 contestants to win the million dollars.
Who is he? What has he done?
Mal, the Malevolent One is an alternate personality created from Mike's fear caused by the abuse he suffered from his parents.
Upon coming into being Mal stabbed Mike's father, almost killing him. This is what got him thrown in juvenile hall. Taking control of Mike's body and locking Mike away, Mal ran the Juvie. Being considered one of it's most dangerous young inmates. When a newly arrested young Duncan tries to intimate Mal,Mal slams Duncan's head into a sink and threatens him.
One day, Reggie was found dead hanging from a belt. It was considered a suicide, however it was heavily implied that Mal killed him as Mal is seen smirking by the window when Duncan finds Reggie.
After sometime of therapy, Mike was able to regain control of his body and seal Mal into a portrait. However, little did Mike know Mal was using this time to conserve Mike's fear using the portrait as his power source for said fear.
Several years later during the stone digging challenge, Mal gets released after Manitoba Smith gets knocked out by a white stone block while protecting Cameron.
Upon being freed Mal enslaves the other personalities. Taking control Mal steals the contestants belongings and lights them on fire.
During the salad spinner challenge, Mal pulls the lever of it to the very bottom right before Gwen goes in causing the spinner to spin at top speed causing her to fall into the side of a tree and break her arm.
During the Blue Harvest Moon challenge, Mal gains control of the body. Pretending to be Mike, Mal trips Cameron and sends him rolling down a hill putting Cam in danger of being either eaten by the bloodthristy animals or an evil Dawn (who was also effected by the moon due to her affinity with nature).
When the evil Dawn attacks Cameron, Mal knocks her out. Mal revealing himself to Cameron Mal picks up a rock and drops it on Cam's leg, when Cameron tries to crawl away Mal drops a boulder on Cameron's head, mutilating Cam's face and nearly killing him. Mal also tries to hit Zoey off a cliff face with a stick without her knowing. When the severely injured Cameron is found by Trent, Mal has the brutal assault pinned on Dawn and Cam gets eliminated due to his injuries.
Mal chains Mike inside the mind, when Mike manages to free himself. Mal ties Mike to a chair and makes a projection tormenting Mike with tramutic memories, as well as showing Zoey being attacked by the Drama Machine from outside.
During the boxing challenge Mal fights Alejandro. Letting Alejandro take some free hits knowing Mike would feel the pain as well, Mal stops playing around and savagely beats Alejandro before taking out a knife and cutting one of Alejandro's teeth out causing Alejandro to quit the competition out of fear.
At the elimination ceremony Mal has Chris play a DVD he found at the spa hotel where Duncan confesses to not loving Gwen and merely using her to make Courtney jealous. Putting the target off Mal's back and on Duncan's.
Becoming fed up Zoey attacks Mal and the two fight when Sierra tries to back up Zoey Mal pulls out a knife and holds it to Zoey's neck making Sierra back down.
During the boat racing challenge,, Mal mind rapes Fang having the mutant shark attack and possibly try to kill Gwen, Courtney and Lightning.
During the elimination ceremony when Mal gets voted off but uses the immunity idol he found on Boney Island and eliminates Lightning in his place.
Repeating the threat he made to Duncan back when they met in Juvie, Mal mind rapes Duncan using his fear turning into an emotionless shell of his former self under Mal's command. Mal has Duncan hurt himself multiple times throughout the challenge, when Trent tries to drop a rock on Mal out of anger for all he's done Mal commands Duncan to put a dagger to Duncan's neck. Threatening to have Duncan commit suicide if Trent doesn't back down.
At the end of the challenge, Mal deliberately pushes a lever causing a cave in putting everyone in danger and causing Svylan's death, as well as Gwen to get crushed by a bunch of rocks and her elimination due to severe injury.
During the obstacles course challenge, Mal knocks Courtney off the monkey bars and into water filled with snapping turtles getting her bitten.
During the sundae making challenge, Mal mind rapes Fang again and has him attack Trent.
At the elimination ceremony, Mal blackmails Trent into voting with him using a bluff of him having incriminating footage of him.
During the treasure hunting challenge when Mal comes in last place due to being the only contestant not to find something Mal mind rapes Fang into brutally beating Trent and presenting him as an "injured contestant" knowing Chris's sadism.
During the finale, Mal tries to toss Heather (one of his own helpers) into toxic waste. Mal tackles Courtney and Zoey underwater and mind rapes Fang again tossing Courtney into Fang's arms leaving her at Fang's mercy.
Mal goes after Zoey, beating her up before holding her by the neck over a pool of lava.
Managing to find the portrait where Mal's power source is hidden, Mike destroys the portrait causing Mal to become powerless and cease to exist.
Moral Agency?
He was created from Mike's fear caused by his abusive parents. However Mal shows multiple times that he understands the concept of good and uses it to manipulate people. Acting independently of his host and eventually taking over the body, essentially being his own being.
In fact all of the personalities have agency. All of them were created from a negative emotion/tramutic experience in Mike's life. Chester was created from Mike's frustration from his grandfather, Svetlana was created from Mike seeing one of his favorite acrobatics getting injured, Vito was created from Mike being beat in a wrestling match by a bully. However none of them are evil like Mal.
Heinousness
Arson, multiple mind rapes, threatening to have someone commit suicide, mutilations, tortures, assaults, murder, implied murder, attempted murder, manipulation.
Yeah he's much worse than the canon Mal.
I noticed that the write up for Shepard Lambrick leaves out a few things that could probably be considered important. I also tweaked the wording a bit. The result is an entry that’s slightly (about 20 words) longer, but still falls below the 200 word mark and reads more fluidly in my opinion.
Here’s the current version:
- Complete Monster: Shepard Lambrick is a seemingly-philanthropical corporate executive who invites people in financial trouble to his dinner parties so that he can make them perform unpleasant acts for his entertainment. Determined that Every Man Has His Price, Lambrick offers his guests money to play a game of "would you rather?" with every choice being a sadistic one. He has one man slowly beaten presumably to death over a stress-induced outburst at Lambrick's son; makes another slice his eyeball open; causes a third man to die of a heart attack after having his hand blown off by an M-80 firecracker; and has a woman's head held underwater until she drowns, after taunting her with the implication her husband had killed their daughter in the same manner. While Lambrick does make good on his promise to the eventual winner, it's made perfectly clear that she's been badly traumatized by his "game", something he is apathetic to.
And my proposed rewrite:
- Complete Monster: Shepard Lambrick is a wealthy sadist who delights in exploiting the desperation of the less fortunate for his own amusement. Pretending to be sympathetic to their financial woes, Lambrick holds a dinner party in which his guests play a game of "would you rather" for a chance to win money, with each choice being a sadistic one. When one man refuses to play and attempts to leave, Lambrick wastes no time in having him shot dead. The game includes the contestants being made to administer painful shocks to each other, and then take turns whipping a fellow player across the back until he presumably dies. A man dies of a heart attack after having his fingers blown off, a woman has her head held underwater until she drowns, and another man is made to slice open his eyeball with a razor blade. The game concludes when Iris is forced to murder the last remaining other contestant. The ordeal leaves Iris horribly traumatized, and while Lambrick comes through with the money, he offers only condescension in response to her Thousand-Yard Stare.
Mal.
Speaking of Sherlock Holmes's CM page, am I the only one who finds it a little weird that the two entries for the villains of Guy Ritchie's movies end with almost exactly the same sentence? One is saying that Blackwood is "standing as one of the most sinister and vile foes Sherlock Holmes ever encountered", and the other that "Moriarty stands out as the most dangerous criminal Holmes has ever encountered". Basically, both of them are saying that each villain is the most dangerous enemy ever encountered by Sherlock Holmes, which is not only repetitive, but also kind of contradictory...
Edited by Mimic45 on Apr 2nd 2020 at 1:31:58 PM
Yeah, I'd be fine cutting the last sentences. And Moriarty can DEFINITELY use a trim. Maybe I'll hold off a bit on swapping.
Come to think of it, Sherlock!Moriarty could also MAYBE be trimmed, though it's not bad. And it's better than the abomination we had
, with 21 potholes, including a triple chain
- Complete Monster: Jim Moriarty is the world's only "consulting criminal", lending his genius to help others commit their crimes. With his main motivations being to distract himself from his boredom and to catch the attention of Sherlock Holmes, Moriarty serves as the Overarching Villain of the first two seasons, and is behind both cases in the first two episodes. Taking center stage in "The Great Game" Moriarty sells out his clients and challenges Sherlock to solve their crimes within a certain time limit or else Moriarty will detonate bombs he strapped to innocent people, including a child, considering it a fun little "game". When one of his victims, a blind old woman, begins to describe the sound of Moriarty's voice, Moriarty detonates her bomb, killing her and eleven others. Later, in "The Reichenbach Fall", Moriarty threatens the family members of a jury to get himself declared innocent, kidnaps and poisons two children, murders his accomplice, frames Sherlock for both these and other crimes Sherlock has solved, then tries to force Sherlock to commit suicide under threat of having his loved ones assassinated. When Sherlock plans to force Moriarty to call off the killers, Moriarty merrily eats his gun to "win" his game with Sherlock. Even after his defeat, it is revealed that Moriarty made a deal with Eurus Holmes where, in the event of his death, she would lure Sherlock into a series of Sadistic Choices constructed by herself and Moriarty that would kill numerous innocents, threaten the lives of Sherlock's best friend and brother, and hopefully drive Sherlock into complete despair. Moriarty was the dark reflection of Sherlock: a sociopathic, manipulative, Evil Genius who would let nothing stand in his way to escape from his excruciating boredom.
Holy hell, and even THAT'S better than this travesty ![]()
- Complete Monster: The diabolically manipulative Jim Moriarty, Holmes's Arch-Enemy, is the world's only "consulting criminal,” a man hired by various people who need his genius to help them commit their own crimes. His sole motivations are to distract himself from his boredom and to catch the attention of Sherlock Holmes. Throughout the series, Moriarty turns a dying old man into a Serial Killer by promising to pay money to his children for each person he kills; manages to sneak the the Black Lotus organization into London then kills their leader when she fails in her task, and sells information to terrorist cells; plays a little "game" with Sherlock, selling out his clients and challenging Sherlock to solve the crimes they committed, strapping bombs to people (including one young child) which will detonate if Sherlock doesn't solve the crimes in the allotted time. When one of his victims, a blind, traumatized, old woman only begins to describe the sound of Moriarty's voice after Sherlock solves the case, Moriarty detonates the bomb, killing her and eleven others. Later on, Moriarty sets about his plan to utterly destroy Sherlock's reputation and life utterly. He has a man that looks just like Sherlock kidnap the seven and nine-year-old children of the Ambassador to America, then kills his accomplice after he outlives his usefulness. He then feeds the children chocolate laced with mercury to kill them if Sherlock can’t find them. In the end, after framing Sherlock as a master criminal who committed both the crimes Moriarty was blamed for and the cases Sherlock himself solved, Moriarty threatens to set his assassins on Sherlock's only three friends in the world if Sherlock doesn’t commit suicide. Moriarty was ultimately a man so committed to winning his "game" with Sherlock, that when Sherlock points out as long as Moriarty's still alive, he can force him to call off the assassins, Moriarty responds by merrily eating his gun to give Sherlock no choice but to kill himself. Moriarty was the dark reflection of Sherlock: a sociopathic genius who would let nothing stand in his way to escape from his excruciating boredom.
Edited by ACW on Apr 2nd 2020 at 7:22:43 AM
Didn't I already trim Sherlock!Moriarty?
Anyways, if we want a Game of Shadows one I've got this:
- Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows: Professor James Moriarty, the notorious "Napoleon of Crime" is Sherlock Holmes' equal in intellect but utterly lacking in any moral restraints. Fatally poisoning Irene Adler for falling in love with Holmes, Moriarty goes after not only Holmes but also his best friend, Dr. John Watson and his new wife Mary with his goons. Plotting to jumpstart World War I so he can profit off the munitions sales, Moriarty oversees a series of bombings across European counties to increase tensions and greedily has a businessman killed to acquire his company. Capturing Holmes, Moriarty brutally tortures him and murders the members of the Gypsy tribe attempting to free Holmes, before trying to enact his final ploy to begin his war.

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