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Nuckelavee, and Dogatie.

And Monaca... God Monaca, easily the one of the characters I'm most afraid of. Seriously, she is scary as hell! I'll be honest, I want abstain for this one, simply because I get the argument but there is a notebook that points Monaca became a monster because she was treated like someone nobody wants, especially by her family. I mean there is the fact she was going to let her friends die via suicide out of amusement which does prove Junko didn't influence her, but still. I mean I can see her counting, but for me I have to sit out in voting.

That said, I wonder if her brother Haiji could be up for considering, since he did help with The Tragedy by creating the Monokuma units and even though he tried to stop the production after finding out what was the true purpose of them, he still allowed it to save himself and not get himself implicated and arrested by Future Foundation. Although my strongest argument is his willingness to let thousands of children have their head blown up, and even go to war against Future Foundation again to save himself. It's one thing to be desperate to save yourself from a nightmare, but it's another when it's self-afflicted and you go as far as battling the only people who could save humanity out of self-preservation.

Nuckelavee, Monaca, Crux

Serrano.

The Nuckelavee.

Monaca.

Crux.

Still, as disgusting as Haiji is, he did show genuine horror when he saw Monaca’s torture room. So I decided against him. Not to mention, as bad as he is, Monaca has him beat in heinousness.

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• Danganronpa Another Episode: Ultra Despair Girls: Monaca Towa is the true leader of the Warriors of Hope and Junko's equally evil partner. Even before meeting Junko, Monaca manipulates her four troubled friends into attempting suicide for her amusement. As the daughter of Takuichi Towa, Monaca uses her position to create an army of Monokumas and aid Junko in her world conquest, while blackmailing Towa Group into compliance. Years later, Monaca uses helmets to place every kid in Towa City under brainwashing, then unleashes them and an army of Monokumas onto Towa City. Having convinced her four friends that all adults are Demons who must be destroyed, she begins the Demon Hunting game, in which the Warriors, aided by the children and Monokumas, must kill as many adults as possible. When three Warriors lose to Komaru Naegi and Toko Fukawa, Monaca attempts to execute them for their failure. In order to rile up the adults, she shows them videos of their loved ones being tortured and has her robots twice invade the Adult Resistance headquarters. She then sexually assaults Nagisa Shingetsu to break his spirit and make him fully obedient to her. Finally, she attempts to get Komaru to break the brainwashing controller, knowing this will kill all of the children, to frame the adults for their deaths and start a war with the Future Foundation, and when Komaru refuses to comply, Monaca tries to trick her into thinking that Monaca killed her parents. In Danganronpa 3, Monaca kills Miaya Gekkogahara to take her place, then, when confronted, flees into space. Underneath her kind demeanor and promise to create a paradise for kids, Monaca is every bit as devoted to spreading despair as Junko.

It is long, but much like with Junko, Monaca has a laundry list of crimes. I tried to keep it to about the length of Junko’s writeup.

Edited by MasterN on Apr 2nd 2020 at 6:13:57 AM

This one goes only to the Video Games page, right?

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Actually, there is a manga, and she makes an appearance in the anime, so it should also go to the Animanga page. She does the same things there as well.

So, just to clarify:

• Junko is at AniManga and Visual Novels, but NOT Video Games.
• Monaca is at AniManga and Video Games, but NOT Visual Novels.

I know, huh? Personally, I think that the Danganronpa series has enough gameplay elements that Junko can be listed on both VG and VN pages, but I understand if the technicalities do not allow for that. So, yes, that is correct.

• Sherlock Holmes and the Zombie Problem, by Nick S. Thomas: Professor James Moriarty is the leader of London's criminal underworld, responsible for several murders before the events of the novel. After confronting Sherlock Holmes about his interference with Moriarty's operations, Moriarty tries to have him killed and proceeds to unleash zombies on Europe, slaughtering countless people and turning others into more zombies.
• The Hound of the Baskervilles: Jack Stapleton, real name Rodger Baskerville, wins the trust of the Baskervilles family while using an abused, trained hound to simulate the dark legend of the Hound of the Baskervilles. Terrifying family patriarch Charles to death, Stapleton uses his own wife Beryl as a Honey Trap for Charles's nephew Henry, viciously abusing Beryl to force her under his control. Murdering a convict with the Hound that he mistakes for Henry, Stapleton later beats Beryl to keep her from interference and sends his beast to murder Henry to claim the family estate, even callously feeding the family doctor's little spaniel to the Hound and stopping at nothing to satisfy his cruel greed.
• Sherlock Holmes: Case of Evil (2002 Made-for-TV Movie): Professor James Moriarty, seeking to corner the drug trade, begins murdering crime lords to take their operations and refine his own morphine. To make the drug illegal, he plots to flood the market with many dying of overdoses and many more addicted so he may control the supply and demand alike. Attempting to torture Holmes with a fatal dose, Moriarty later murders Holmes's lover just to hurt the detective as a penalty for challenging him.
• The Hound of the Baskervilles (2002-2003 Made-for-TV Movie): Jack Stapleton, even more wicked than his original incarnation, wins the trust of the Baskervilles family while using an abused, trained hound to simulate the dark legend of the Hound of the Baskervilles. Terrifying family patriarch Charles to death, Stapleton uses his own wife Beryl as a Honey Trap for Charles's nephew Henry, viciously abusing Beryl to force her under his control. Murdering a convict with the Hound that he mistakes for Henry, Stapleton later sends the Hound to savage Henry and, deciding he cannot trust Beryl, murders her himself before killing an officer and attempting to murder Holmes and Watson in order to flee.

All added to Sandbox.Holmes Monster Reformat

Alright N, though I still find Haiji way worse then Monaca, I guess he doesn't make it. Not worse as in heinousness, just more hateable and definitely more deplorable, because Monaca at least was an amazing villain.

Yeah, I agree. Monaca is a fantastic villainess, like Junko before her. Haiji is just a prick.

@acw: Just gut that Adaptational Villany on stapleton. He has one extra murder....thats not really an excessive increase in villany.

Edited by miraculous on Apr 2nd 2020 at 6:36:24 AM

I mean a pedophile prick who nearly committed genocide on children, but yeah a prick regardless.

Not sure about this one either, but still gonna give it a try

What's the Work?

Tomb Raider: The Series is a 50 issue comic book series from Top Cow, which I talked about before. Taking place in a larger Top Cow Universe (before Tomb Raider rights get to Dark Horse, who created the new comic series, which was based on the newest Tomb Raider reboot, thus disconnecting Lara from Top Cow Universe), the comic told about various adventures of Lara Croft and her habit of discovering and stealing various artifacts. It's one of the few comics in Top Cow Productions, which doesn't have a common Big Bad for the whole series and the whole comic is separated in arcs, some of which connects to each other, some don't, with villains only lasting for one or two arcs.

I covered Ian O'Conner from "Towers of Souls" arc before, but upon rereading the comic series and all its specials and one-shots, I decided to bring up one candidate, whom I'm conflicted about, but I think deserves a shot.

Enter Lord Vymes from "The Trap - Path of the Tiger" and "Strange Flesh" arcs.

Who is Lord Vymes?

The comic isn't super clear about what the hell Lord Vymes or Vayamasa is. One source claims that he is Asura, a race of lower level gods, who are obsessed with greed, jealousy and lust, while another supports that he is a being from another dimension of Anti-Matter, who managed to get to Earth. Either way, Lord Vymes is always described as worst of his kind, due to his gleeful sadism. Lord Vymes himself claims that he began his life as a stream of raw shapeless hunger, who clawed his way out of the Abyss and found "a playground" on Earth. Thinking of himself to be a God, Vymes token over a body of some human and build himself a castle and managed to get enough wealth to be recognized a nobility. Using his newfound body and reputation to devour countless people, Vymes started collecting their bones and put them as trophies inside his castle. Some he even put like a statues to resemble the way they looked before they died (minus skin and meat on bones obviously).

At later point in time he contacted Lara Croft to hire her to get him some artifacts. After she refused he sended his mercenaries there, only for Lara to easily best them twice, before they told her that someone, who looked like her stolen Mandala artifacts from Vymes museum. After which Lara agreed to retrieve them for 2 million dollars. After mercenary leader returned to Vymes, he pointed out how he was easily bested by Lara this day and thus he is a failure, after which Vymes devoured terrified mercenary. After Lara got Mandala and decided to give them to someone better than Vymes, after learning that he is a depraved inhuman creature, Vymes attacked Lara and her new lover, a Tibetan monk named Tsang, while they were on the ship (in the prelude to "Endgame" arc) and captured Tsang, leading to Lara believing he is dead.

After Lara was resurrected from the dead (she died in the "Endgame" arc crossover with Witchblade), she learns that Vymes bought her mansion. Arriving there, Lara confronted Vymes and was determined to kill him, only for him to reveal that he trapped Tsang in his own flesh (literally) and was ready to give her back her mansion and Tsang in exchange for Waters of Life and Death (threatening to eat Tsang if she refused). As Lara was busy getting this Water, Vymes mocked Tsang, talked about himself with him and showed him his collection of bones of his victims. Soon after Tsang correctly deduced that Vymes isn't planning to fulfill his end of the deal with Lara after she gets him the Waters of Life and Death, Lara breaks into his castle and demands to see Tsang. After Vymes showed her him partially, Lara throwed Waters at him, leading to him releasing Tsang from pain that Waters caused him. Laughing Vymes intends to devour and take form of either Tsang or Lara, before Lara uses The remains of Waters of Life with her to resurrect Vymes' victims, who proceed to swarm and devour Vymes himself.

Heinousness

I admit, there are like 3-4 mass murderers (including Vymes) in Tomb Raider comics from Top Cow, one of which is Ian, who was approved, but like Ian, Vymes stand out in the method of his killings (Ian tortured people to death), as he is the only villain, who devoured that many people, there are couple more villains, who wanted to eat people, but they never succeed to harm a single person, before Lara took them out. Of other mass murderers, there are Pieter Van Eckhardt from the comic adaptation of "The Angel of Darkness" game and the leader of a Midnight Squires, Roetek, but both of them don't reach the depravity of either Ian nor Vymes, as all Pieter's victims were his associates, whom he betrayed and while Roetek was willing to murder the whole community of women and children, he never succeed at that and the comic was never clear about if he was aware that he endangered them, when he attacked the hideout of his enemy Quill in his attempt to get the artifact, which would allow him to see the future. Also, both Pieter and Roetek go only for generic murders, while Ian and Vymes demonstrate unique sadism, with Ian torturing people (including children) to death, while Vymes "played with his food (people)" and devoured dozens (or more) innocent people and put their bones as his trophies. All other villains of comics are not worthy being mentioned, as all the rest only have few victims to their name and couple tried to take over the world in such generic way, that it's not affect heinous standard. Only one villain to note is a Big Bad of a crossover between Lara Croft and Witchblade (which ended in EVO one-shot), where the Bad Guy was willing to merge all life on Earth with the new form of life, so that humanity could survive the future, despite it sucking the life out of bunch of people in the process, but this villain had literally near God like power, capable of changing the planet, plus a Witchblade under his command (putting him far above all other Lara Croft villains) and he was not trapped or restricted anywhere (like Ian and Vymes) AND i don't count him as Lara Croft villain, due to him belonging more to Witchblade setting and originating from there. Another point to his favor is that Vymes (because he looks like a monster from a rotten flesh) can't show himself to people, so he always hides in the current time of the comic, never leaving his castle (only traveling to Lara's boat in the middle of nowhere in the sea, to get revenge on her for double-crossing him), like Ian (who was trapped in his own castle as well, to keep himself immortal) and unlike Pieter and Roetek (both of whom freely operated in the public) and pretty much almost all other antagonists.

Mitigating Factors

Well, there is confusion about what the Hell he is. Comic presents two options, he is either Asura or being from Anti-Matter dimension. Asura described as "lower Gods obsessed with Greed, Lust and Pride" and Lara at one point says that they are enslaved by such traits (with no clarifycation about it being literal or figurative), but considering that Asuras in the comic are based on Hindu mythology, according to it they have agency and capable of becoming good and Vymes is still treated as a revolting evil with full personality and independence in addition to being capable of making his own choices. Also, the "Strange Flesh" arc put Vymes Asura's status under a question, when he indicated that he is a creature from Anti-Matter, who managed to get to Earth and make it his "playground". In either case, Vymes always described as "the worst of his kind" and treated as his own being by the comic.

Conclusion

What do you say?

Yes to the Nuckelavee, Monaca, Dogatie, and Vymes.

Hey there. I’ve been lurking this thread for a while now and decided to make an account to contribute. I have at least a few candidates on my mind, but before that I wanted to note that the Judge Holden entry on Literature/A-C and the Blood Meridian YMMV itself are different.

Blood Meridian: Judge Holden is one of the most famous and memorable villains in American Literature. Our first introduction to him is him casually ruining a man's life by claiming him guilty of a crime several towns over, before confessing he had never met the man before and just destroyed his life for giggles. Holden acts as a corrupting force to the Glanton Gang throughout the novel, subtly pushing them to commit more and more atrocities on the undeserving. Holden's savagery and cruelty utterly outstrip the rest of his contemporaries and the lives he takes are often done so with more terrible violence then the others. Holden thinks nothing of murdering children and they tend to go missing from areas he visits after he is seen tempting them with sweets. The true nature of Holden is left ambiguous, but regardless he is a creature who desires nothing less than permanent violence and closes the novel with a murder implied to be too horrible to show even in the story's depressingly bleak world.

Complete Monster: Judge Holden is one of the most famous and memorable villains in American Literature. Our first introduction to him is getting a man lynched for false charges purely for the fun of it. Holden acts as a corrupting force to the Glanton Gang throughout the novel, subtly pushing them to commit more and more atrocities on the undeserving. Holden's savagery and cruelty utterly outstrip the rest of his contemporaries, and the lives he takes are often done so with more terrible violence than the others. Holden takes a particular interest in raping and murdering children. References to Paradise Lost frequently put him in the role of Satan, and he's heavily implied to be some sort of supernatural creature or incarnation of pure evil. In the end, it's implied that he performs a murder too grisly for even this dark tale to describe.

I feel like it needs to be rewritten in general, but I’ll leave that to someone whose actually read the book.

Of those 2, I like the CM entry better, but a rewrite wouldn't be the worst thing.

Sure to Vimes.

Edited by ACW on Apr 2nd 2020 at 10:43:46 AM

Pretty sure I wrote that one at some point. No idea why they're different

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Vymes

Oh, and yes to Vymes

Vymes.